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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
So do you believe that notable nations throughout history start out conservative and then become more liberal, and this is the impetus for their downfall? This seems counter-intuitive to me, but I'm curious to hear your explanation.
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They don't start out conservative necessarily. They start out strong and UNIFIED. Unified in purposes and beleifs. Purposes and beliefs about how the citenry can best behave to maintain a strong and unified society and population. Liberalism has very much divided our population today. Powerful organizations like the ACLU have played mindgames with an easily influenced population and added to this division. One of the mindgame strategies they use is blaming their OPPONENTS for the division they have caused. They blame the religious as they wage WAR on anybody with any religious beleifs. They blame religion as they tear any religious statement or sentiments out of our society and culture. They can influence the lazy or simple minded and be seen as HEROES as they do this. Liberalism in our education system has made a business of rewriting and omitting history from history books. Through lies and mindgames they influence and weaken opposition. Further dividing us and weakening our NATION.
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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
Again, this seems to imply that the formation of nation states is the time when they are the 'best' from an ethical standpoint. Is this what you believe?
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Not necessarily the best from an ETHICAL standpoint. The most coherent though. Coherent in that they haven't begun the process of self destruction from the inside OUT yet. Maybe ethics will improve as time passes. This is limited by the animal nature that is still PART of humanity. Ethics may improve for a time from a starting point. Improvement will degrade due to "human nature" though and turn to degeneracy. I don't think there is one single instance this has not been demonstrated historically.
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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
That was a specific example. My question is whether, generally, you feel that you hold your ethics because they're logical, or because you were raised to believe certain things?
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I was raised to believe very little actually. I hold my "ethics" because they're logical. Many today wouldn't SEE them as logical because they've been fed garbage and bought into and BELEIVED the garage they've been FED. You can see many examples of what I'm talking about right here on this forum.