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Originally Posted by kingdaddy
Fuck Nietzsche.
Nietzsche is dead, God is not. And no, he doesn’t supply anything, nothing original came from his mind, all his thoughts are supplied for him by someone else or he observed Gods nature and gleaned information from that the same as I or anyone else, his mind is not special or unique in any way. Worship your precious philosophy all you want, it avails you nothing and dilutes any possibility of submitting to real Truth which is knowledge, man is not the source of knowledge, but I guess you just don’t get that.
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He came up with nothing original?
I'm sorry, I don't argee with a lot of what Nietzsche said, but he and Kieregaard invented existential thought. He revolutionized western philosophy. Nietzsche was the source of the ideas that modern psychology was based on, his ideas have been a driving force of cultural change for the last fifty years. Disagree with the man if you want, but don't downplay his importance.
Back to the arguement at hand, Good and Evil are not seen throughout the natural world. Animals are amoral, plants are amoral, geography is amoral. The only time we discover Good and Evil is when we look at human beings. If Good and Evil were external forces, shouldn't we see them throughout universe and not just in man? Furthermore, the changing definition of Good and Evil between societies and over time would seem to suggest that Good and Evil do not exist independently of man, but rather are created and interpretted by man.
Would Evil exist without religion? Yes, there would still be value judgments which would classify things as harmful and beneficial.
Would Good and Evil exist without man? (ie are Good and Evil independent, external forces?) All the evidence points to no.