Thread: NY police arrest IMF head for attempted rape

Originally Posted by Alma

Judging by your choice of comedians I am not surprised at your question.

Judging by the thinking in your posts, I would not be surprised if you are Yakov Smirnoff......

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Judging by the thinking in your posts, I would not be surprised if you are Yakov Smirnoff......

You sure watch him a lot!

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Judging by the thinking in your posts, I would not be surprised if you are Yakov Smirnoff......

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I dunno...given this guy's history it doesn't look good for him. OTOH, given that history again, what's so crazy about proposing that a few Sarkozy supporters (no, NOT Obama and the CIA) might slip a maid some few thousand dollars to offer this guy oral sex and then run screaming from the room when she's done?

I've always been suspicious of rape involving oral sex. Just HOW do you go about forcing a woman not to either break your neck or take a bite out of crime?

Originally Posted by John Drake

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I dunno...given this guy's history it doesn't look good for him. OTOH, given that history again, what's so crazy about proposing that a few Sarkozy supporters (no, NOT Obama and the CIA) might slip a maid some few thousand dollars to offer this guy oral sex and then run screaming from the room when she's done?

I've always been suspicious of rape involving oral sex. Just HOW do you go about forcing a woman not to either break your neck or take a bite out of crime?

Given Mr. Strauss-Kahns image of beeing a "womanizer" and given the fact that he would not be the first french politician to stumble over his dick a "honey-trap" is certainly a possibility. It doesn´t matter after all if the accusations stick or not, his career is finished and it is clear who profits from that. But I admittedly have problems to imagine plausibly that a guy in his position who can easily afford to spend the night with a handful of callgirls rapes a roommaid ( who he cannot expect not to tell her story) that just by chance enters his suite while already on departure for a meeting with the german chancellor. I have no horse in this race personally but something in that story does not really seem to fit for my taste.

I think it's doubtful that DSK's career is finished, at least in France. Also, this surely smells like a setup. It is funny, however. I had to chuckle a time or two, myself.

Originally Posted by Voland

1. Well, an extra-marital affair is not the same as an alleged rape.
Nor are men who have affairs automatically more likely to commit rape assaults.

Of course not on the first count, and I also agree as to the 'automatically' part on the second.

I would say as to the second count, however, that a person who has serial sexual misconduct such as his record shows fit a higher profile of a person who could assault someone. It often comes from a few flaws. One of them is a lack of moral compass on sex and human relations, e.g., manifest disrespect and deceits against the spouse and often the other women insofar as wishing to gratify onesself with as many women as practical where they can get away with it, a sense of entitlement to womanising given one's position, prowess, the lack of loyalty not only to one's spouse but friends or business associates if they desire their wives or partners, etc. With that craving and sense of entitlement, it can lead some to cross the lines into a sense of entitlement that a woman must have sex with them if he wants it and resort to things like sexual harassment, undue pressures, or even force.

Of course this is not the case for many such people and even the majority whether that be a line they won't cross and/or plain fear of getting in trouble if it goes that far, but those factors frequently play a role as his kind of alleged act here in conjunction with his noted background. I'm not saying it's a red flag flaw, but it is a yellow flag flaw that can, depending on the person, result in red.

Originally Posted by Voland

2. Apparently he was entitled to that as IMF head. Which brings me to ask the question though if he couldn´t simply have called a prostitute ( assuming the charges are correct )

IMO, someone ought to challenge the propriety of that indulgent expenditure...a $3000 per night luxury suite is not a justifiable expense, again going towards the theme of selfish overindulgence by professionals with other people's money, namely who they claim to serve or be in the employment. It makes for bad character development even in business never mind waste money, a bad development. IMO, it's the kind of pattern abuses that help lead to the kinds of 'celebrity CEOs' and other flaws in the professional world and the kinds of selfish indulgences and recklessness that collapsed many economies recently in the private business sector, politicians conniving with them and/or being corrupted with them or like them, etc.

As for hiring a prostitute, if true, maybe he just wanted this person for whatever reason compelled him to do so. It could have been timing issues too. The reports are still unclear yet, but he headed for a flight in a hurry after this happened. Whether he rushed to catch one after he did it or this woman was a spur of the moment thing where he wanted to get off on her before he left could all be reasonable explanations why he didn't go the prostitute route.

All these things, however, are reasons why I don't want adulterers and harassers in elected office or high public appointed positions if I were making decisions, and I don't vote for them once detected doing so in an elected position. It's the same if I'm a boss of a business and I catch employees screwing other employees' spouses, etc---they'd be fired. Sex scandals by public officials are preventable and selfishly caused just for starters and there's no excuse for it. As for private business, the person should keep the best interest of the company in mind, and that certainly includes causing dissentions and disruptions by screwing around with other compatriots' spouses or partners. Worse, it's a type of concerning personality flaw that's hard to tell where it ends for each person that can indeed lead to the kinds of charges being made here.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

I hope the court and prosecution are mindful and careful insofar as bail issues at his scheduled arraignment today. As officials ought to remember from the ongoing Roman Polanski fugitive situation, France will not extradite one of its own citizens and there is reason to be concerned given who he is that he might get sympathisers if he leaves the jurisdiction, how he spins his story upon flight, etc, as with Polanski. IMO, he needs to have his passport turned in immediately to the court with the requirement that he remain in the jurisdiction of the court as conditions of bail if a bail amount is set, but given the seriousness of the charges and the flight risk, electonic home monitoring also ought to be imposed IMO. Under no circumstances should his word be taken that he'll return to answer the charges if allowed to leave the country for his business and other affairs.

Blah. France most definitely will extradite one of its citizens, IF it is warranted. Also, DSK is a French elected official and will certainly get diplomatic immunity, should he require it. I'm sure he won't, as it would probably kill his political career, but my point was that if you were any more sanctimonious you'd probably combust spontaneously.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Of course not on the first count, and I also agree as to the 'automatically' part on the second.

I would say as to the second count, however, that a person who has serial sexual misconduct such as his record shows fit a higher profile of a person who could assault someone. It often comes from a few flaws. One of them is a lack of moral compass on sex and human relations, e.g., manifest disrespect and deceits against the spouse and often the other women insofar as wishing to gratify onesself with as many women as practical where they can get away with it, a sense of entitlement to womanising given one's position, prowess, the lack of loyalty not only to one's spouse but friends or business associates if they desire their wives or partners, etc. With that craving and sense of entitlement, it can lead some to cross the lines into a sense of entitlement that a woman must have sex with them if he wants it and resort to things like sexual harassment, undue pressures, or even force.

Of course this is not the case for many such people and even the majority whether that be a line they won't cross and/or plain fear of getting in trouble if it goes that far, but those factors frequently play a role as his kind of alleged act here in conjunction with his noted background. I'm not saying it's a red flag flaw, but it is a yellow flag flaw that can, depending on the person, result in red.

IMO, someone ought to challenge the propriety of that indulgent expenditure...a $3000 per night luxury suite is not a justifiable expense, again going towards the theme of selfish overindulgence by professionals with other people's money, namely who they claim to serve or be in the employment. It makes for bad character development even in business never mind waste money, a bad development. IMO, it's the kind of pattern abuses that help lead to the kinds of 'celebrity CEOs' and other flaws in the professional world and the kinds of selfish indulgences and recklessness that collapsed many economies recently in the private business sector, politicians conniving with them and/or being corrupted with them or like them, etc.

As for hiring a prostitute, if true, maybe he just wanted this person for whatever reason compelled him to do so. It could have been timing issues too. The reports are still unclear yet, but he headed for a flight in a hurry after this happened. Whether he rushed to catch one after he did it or this woman was a spur of the moment thing where he wanted to get off on her before he left could all be reasonable explanations why he didn't go the prostitute route.

All these things, however, are reasons why I don't want adulterers and harassers in elected office or high public appointed positions if I were making decisions, and I don't vote for them once detected doing so in an elected position. It's the same if I'm a boss of a business and I catch employees screwing other employees' spouses, etc---they'd be fired. Sex scandals by public officials are preventable and selfishly caused just for starters and there's no excuse for it. As for private business, the person should keep the best interest of the company in mind, and that certainly includes causing dissentions and disruptions by screwing around with other compatriots' spouses or partners. Worse, it's a type of concerning personality flaw that's hard to tell where it ends for each person that can indeed lead to the kinds of charges being made here.

Also Mr. Strauss-Kahn has to be innocent until proven guilty. Right now a honey trap is not completely out of the question as well. ( raping somebody on his way to a meeting with Merkel does not sound very plausible to me) And while I am not spinning conspiracy theories this story certainly has one or two questionmarks that need to be cleared up.

Originally Posted by John Drake

I've always been suspicious of rape involving oral sex. Just HOW do you go about forcing a woman not to either break your neck or take a bite out of crime?

This was the first thing i thought when i read that too.

Originally Posted by AdrienXII

I think it's doubtful that DSK's career is finished, at least in France. Also, this surely smells like a setup.

But why would he hurry away and leave his belongings at the hotel?

In general i have a feeling that when politicians go from working in the executive branch to working in one of the many non-/semi-democratic institutions they don't feel the hot breath of the voters any more and think they can get away with anything in their personal life as long as their job performance is O.K. The examples are numerous.

Originally Posted by erikvv

But why would he hurry away and leave his belongings at the hotel?

Hell, I don't know. Perhaps he caught the room maid going through his stuff and she started screaming rape. Or any number of reasons. What I don't get is why there was no security around. Presumably the head of the IMF is a target for a few people, and he can be expected to carry important information, as well.

Originally Posted by erikvv

In general i have a feeling that when politicians go from working in the executive branch to working in one of the many non-/semi-democratic institutions they don't feel the hot breath of the voters any more and think they can get away with anything in their personal life as long as their job performance is O.K. The examples are numerous.

Well, yes. Personally, I can't stand the guy.