Thread: Obama appeals to public to support class warfare

Actually I hope he gets his tax the rich deal through. That ought to write the final chapter in his failure to turn the economy around. I'm sure we've all seen the news bits over the last couple of years about corporations and rich business owners that are sitting on cash reserves while they wait to see what kind of future the dems have for them, economically. Like I said in a thread yesterday, tax the rich more? Sure, but not now when it will kill jobs and new job creation. There is an appropriate time for increasing taxes to the wealthiest, and it isn't now. Obama must feel that the rich are all retired and living in their own paradise, employing but a few to run their personal households.
Maybe he can even try to reinstate the job killing luxury tax while he's at it. And place additional taxes on corporations that will touch every American at the cash register.
This guy is a genius, as his performance thus far clearly shows!

Obama Appealing to Public to Influence Debt Reduction Deal - FoxNews.com

I know there are many on this forum that are in the wealthy class or for some reason believe they are. These people will defend the Republican's stand to protect those decade long tax breaks for the wealthiest. This is of course at the expense of all the working and middle class Americans who will see government program cut backs that they tend to use that the wealthy don't need.

I completely understand the Republicans desire to keep their owners happy by kowtowing to their needs. The wealthy can not afford to pay a few percentage more taxes and if they tell the American people it is for job creation they will believe it. Of course the proof is in how many long lasting jobs were created by the job creators during the decade long tax break?

Go ahead Republicans and defend subsidies for ethanol, billions in tax breaks for big oil, a corporate jet tax break, and many other breaks that favor the wealthy. The defense is best left for those making at least half a million a year though and if you are not making that amount and still defend the tax breaks then I would suspect you are very gullible and somewhat naive. But remember a fool and his money are soon parted and how do you think the wealthy get wealthy? The love doing business with fools.

Tax cuts or tax increases for the wealthy have very little effect on jobs.
Clinton increased taxes on the wealthy, and 22 million jobs were created. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, and private sector employment was the same the day he left office as the day he took office.

But that's what really happened, it's not supported by the dogma.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Actually I hope he gets his tax the rich deal through. That ought to write the final chapter in his failure to turn the economy around. I'm sure we've all seen the news bits over the last couple of years about corporations and rich business owners that are sitting on cash reserves while they wait to see what kind of future the dems have for them, economically. Like I said in a thread yesterday, tax the rich more? Sure, but not now when it will kill jobs and new job creation. There is an appropriate time for increasing taxes to the wealthiest, and it isn't now. Obama must feel that the rich are all retired and living in their own paradise, employing but a few to run their personal households.
Maybe he can even try to reinstate the job killing luxury tax while he's at it. And place additional taxes on corporations that will touch every American at the cash register.
This guy is a genius, as his performance thus far clearly shows!

Obama Appealing to Public to Influence Debt Reduction Deal - FoxNews.com

Well Obama has never made a payroll, or run anything, anywhere in the private sector so it's really not surprising he doesn't understand the business owner at all.

Originally Posted by Scratcher

I know there are many on this forum that are in the wealthy class or for some reason believe they are. These people will defend the Republican's stand to protect those decade long tax breaks for the wealthiest. This is of course at the expense of all the working and middle class Americans who will see government program cut backs that they tend to use that the wealthy don't need.

Oh yes, your talking about Government Tit Sucking Programs that the working and middle class Americans need. BS

Let me give you one little tit sucking program that is out of control. Public schools funded by tax payers. Serve lunch to the kids and it's free to anyone that signs a piece of paper that say they make under a certain amount of income. Hell every household signs the paper as there is not a check and there would be no way to check the truth. But I go further than that, why in the fuck are we giving kids lunch at school. What happened to bring your own lunch, what parents can't feed their kids.

Now it gets worse, schools now serve breakfast and it's free. What the fuck, can't parents feed their kids cereal and a piece of toast before leaving for school. This is insane.

Now I'm not finished, they have summer lunch programs. If you have kids are you not supposed to feed them. Why on earth is it the responsibility of the tax payer to feed their kids.

And here is another one that gets me, tax payers pay for childcare, what, when you had kids you never thought you needed to raise them or care for them. What, you rely on a government tit to suck on to help you out. Go to the your grandparents for help or someone else, but figure it out, it's you that had the kids, not the tax payer.

So I take it these are the programs that the working and middle class rely on to make ends meet. What BS, this is a perfect example where you liberals have gone over the edge.

We don't have a tax problem we have a fucking out of control entitlement spending problem. It's called "Government Tits, Come and Suck"

I completely understand the Republicans desire to keep their owners happy by kowtowing to their needs. The wealthy can not afford to pay a few percentage more taxes and if they tell the American people it is for job creation they will believe it. Of course the proof is in how many long lasting jobs were created by the job creators during the decade long tax break?

I repeat:
We don't have a tax problem we have a fucking out of control entitlement spending problem. It's called "Government Tits, Come and Suck"

Go ahead Republicans and defend subsidies for ethanol, billions in tax breaks for big oil, a corporate jet tax break, and many other breaks that favor the wealthy. The defense is best left for those making at least half a million a year though and if you are not making that amount and still defend the tax breaks then I would suspect you are very gullible and somewhat naive. But remember a fool and his money are soon parted and how do you think the wealthy get wealthy? The love doing business with fools.

Now you rant about corporate jet tax breaks (called a luxury tax) I'm sure you don't remember when we did have a luxury tax and all sales of anything included in the luxury tax stopped and business went out of business, hundreds of thousands of people were put out of work. You see when you penalize someone for buying a plane for business travel and you are not allowed to write that plane off as a business expense they stop buying planes. That puts people out of work. I have always said liberals never have or ever will care about American jobs. And time and time again it is proven by proposals like you suggest. The Luxury tax failed before and will fail again. Look it up.

Originally Posted by goober

Tax cuts or tax increases for the wealthy have very little effect on jobs.
Clinton increased taxes on the wealthy, and 22 million jobs were created. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, and private sector employment was the same the day he left office as the day he took office.

But that's what really happened, it's not supported by the dogma.

And how depressed was the economy when taxes were raised while Clinton was in office? (By a Republican congress)

Answer...it wasn't. Big difference between raising costs on employers then, and now.

Let me see if I have this right. Obama is looking to upset his own party and supporters by agreeing to cuts on things typically his party holds onto, all he wants in return is some changes to the tax levels enjoyed by "job creaters" who are not creating any jobs right now anyway (with reason of course,) and Obama is the only one playing class warfare. Is that the position of the Republicans?

Originally Posted by 9aces

And how depressed was the economy when taxes were raised while Clinton was in office? (By a Republican congress)

Answer...it wasn't. Big difference between raising costs on employers then, and now.

Taxes were raised by a Democratic congress(one of the rare examples of political courage), Republicans warned that the tax increases would bring on a financial disaster, that was 1993, in 1994, the GOP captured congress, but the deficit began it's decline and the economy strengthened, and when the deficit fell, so did interest rates, and that helped the economy.

Bush cut taxes, because that is what God told him to do, he slaughtered hundreds of thousands because of that voice in his head too. I mean how do people look at actual facts, and then vote Republican? It's like a mental disease, it certainly isn't rational.

Originally Posted by goober

Tax cuts or tax increases for the wealthy have very little effect on jobs.
Clinton increased taxes on the wealthy, and 22 million jobs were created. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, and private sector employment was the same the day he left office as the day he took office.

But that's what really happened, it's not supported by the dogma.

Amen! Why are tax cuts for the rich the top priority for Republicans?
Plain Honest Truth: Why Are Tax Cuts for the Rich the top Priority for Republicans?

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Let me see if I have this right. Obama is looking to upset his own party and supporters by agreeing to cuts on things typically his party holds onto, all he wants in return is some changes to the tax levels enjoyed by "job creaters" who are not creating any jobs right now anyway (with reason of course,) and Obama is the only one playing class warfare. Is that the position of the Republicans?

That seems to be what the Republicans stand for; but not what they say.

I think Republican's action will high light their complete lack of understanding of our economy. They promote Thomas Jefferson as a great example of their type of financial planning. I just wonder after Jefferson died what estate did he leave following these sacred principles?