Thread: Obama Leans further Left. Democratic leaders begin to panic!

ahoy Fishjoel,

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Sure there are moderate conservatives but Mitt is not one of them, he is a liberal.

thats an interestin' observation, matey. lemme asks ye to expand on that, if ye may. is Mitt Romney a far left liberal, or be he a moderate liberal?

if i may further expand on this point, id like very much fer ye to answer this question, specifically; are Michelle Bachmann and Eric Cantor moderate liberals? they supported most everythin' that our former president, George W. Bush proposed, or do they now get a pass with thar Tea Party guises?

There are two mistakes happening.

1. You are looking at what Obama has been able to pass not what he tried to pass. They are two different things. What this tells you is that America is conservative in nature.

2. You are comparing Obama to Republicans or the Republican establishment when I've already demonstrated that this logic is flawed in my previous post.

1) aye, that is true...i look at results, not rhetoric....and since i do not reside between Mr. Obama's ears, i really have no idear what he wanted to pass, i only know what bills he signed. hence, he be a moderate conservative. see me friend, what i see here be what i see on other threads, that is, folks who claim they know things on a "gut level", but really, them claims fall apart when the hard evidence be bought to light.

2) i indeed be comparin' Mr. Obama to Republicans, since Republicans are, to varyin' degrees, conservative.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Fishjoel,



thats an interestin' observation, matey. lemme asks ye to expand on that, if ye may. is Mitt Romney a far left liberal, or be he a moderate liberal?

I'd say he is a moderate liberal.

if i may further expand on this point, id like very much fer ye to answer this question, specifically; are Michelle Bachmann and Eric Cantor moderate liberals? they supported most everythin' that our former president, George W. Bush proposed, or do they now get a pass with thar Tea Party guises?

I don't know as much about Bachman as I should but she seems to be less more conservative than Mitt if you are to look at what type of legislation she has supported.

1) aye, that is true...i look at results, not rhetoric....and since i do not reside between Mr. Obama's ears, i really have no idear what he wanted to pass, i only know what bills he signed. hence, he be a moderate conservative. see me friend, what i see here be what i see on other threads, that is, folks who claim they know things on a "gut level", but really, them claims fall apart when the hard evidence be bought to light.

This is a strawman. You don't need to know something on a "gut level" nor do you need to be a mind reader. All you have to do is look at things he's tried to pass and failed (eg. single payer healthcare and Cap and Trade). It's right out there in the open. I'm confused as to why this is such a mystery to you.

2) i indeed be comparin' Mr. Obama to Republicans, since Republicans are, to varyin' degrees, conservative.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

I've already proved that logic false. Republicans are not necessarily conservative. You keep making the same mistake.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Well, I think there are many reasons for that and they most likely aren't because Mitt is a conservative. I want to repeat that you are still making the same mistake of using Republican synonymous for conservative. You do this contradicting yourself, if the same logic was applied to Obama, by your own words. You call Obama a moderate/center conservative but he is a Democrat. Not only is he a Democrat but is the the actual President of the US, not just someone who was merely leading in some polls 1 1/2 years away from election. With this in mind, using your logic, I could say that Obama could not be anything more than a liberal.

Romney is no conservative.

Using your logic I can say that Obama is a Democrat so he is a liberal of varying degrees. I could also then conclude that Bush was a liberal because he did many similar thing to what Obama is doing now.

You are contradicting yourself.

ahoy Fishjoel,

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I'd say he is a moderate liberal.

and i would disagree. he be a moderate conservative. i kinda think this is gonna have to be one 'o them "agree to disagree" kinda moments, me hearty.

I don't know as much about Bachman as I should but she seems to be less more conservative than Mitt if you are to look at what type of legislation she has supported.

ayup (i miss ye Dblack!)

This is a strawman. You don't need to know something on a "gut level" nor do you need to be a mind reader. All you have to do is look at things he's tried to pass and failed (eg. single payer healthcare and Cap and Trade). It's right out there in the open. I'm confused as to why this is such a mystery to you.

its not a strawman, lol, it be the truth. if ye think that President Obama put his armada to sea and beat to quarters, mountin' a fierce assault on behalf 'o cap'n trade and single payer healthcare, then ye have been outta the loop fer a few years, Fishjoel.

I've already proved that logic false. Republicans are not necessarily conservative. You keep making the same mistake.

folks from the Republic party all claim, at least, to be conservative...in fact, they seem proud 'o the title. please define fer me what a moderate conservative be, since ye have agreed that such a species does, in fact, exist. also, just so i have me a compass point to steer me vessel by, point out congressfolk who be real conservatives.
i mean, i think a problem we're havin' be that i don't know how ye define "conservative".

Using your logic I can say that Obama is a Democrat so he is a liberal of varying degrees. I could also then conclude that Bush was a liberal because he did many similar thing to what Obama is doing now.

You are contradicting yourself.

not really, matey. if ye can find me one quote whar Mr. Obama claims to be a proud liberal, i'd honestly be shocked.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by CowboyTed

And yet he has approval ratings above Regan and Clinton at this stage during his presidentency...

The two Bushs had higher ratings than him.

That is irrelevant as he is none of those people and every presidential election deals with a new set of pressing issues.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Phoenix, me fellow centrist!

and no, he is not.

aye!

- MeadHallPirate

And, of course, ye be in err on both counts, aye.

Obama is most certainly a liberal. That's a no-brainer. His lack of a super-majority liberal Dem Congress, and especially the presence of a conservative Repub House, reigns him in by requiring that he make compromises, appearing to promote non-liberal positions on some issues in an effort to win support for the liberal positions he thinks he wants the most and thinks he can win.

People who truly know the inside workings of D.C. know the truth of it.

There are people who want to paint Obama as a moderate (whatever that is), or as a conservative (as ludicrously unbelievable as that fantasy is), which they do via sarcastic false insinuations in reference to Obama's political behavior taken out of context, in an effort to win a large body of support from the right of liberal for his re-election by attempting to scammingly disuade the vast majority's fear of Obama's true liberal nature and the damage he would do the country if he got his super-majority in Congress ..

.. Which is my take on your position, me bucko!

Arrr!