Thread: Forcing ISPs to log users’ web history

Originally Posted by adaher

Actually, unintentional exposure can be charged, depending on the circumstances. A couple having sex in a motel room got charged because their window was open and it got seen during the World Series.

Were they convicted or just charged? Was the window fully open? Most crimes require intent or knowlege. There are only a hand full of strict liability crimes and I don't think exposure is one.

To view such records and prosecute based on evidence drawn from those records the prosecutor would still need a proper warrant or there is no chance in hell they are convicting anyone. Phone records are only turned over to authorities with a warrant and likewise these user records.

The means by which these records would provide useful evidence are also questionable as individuals can indeed find themselves to be routed to sites they never intended to be routed to with blind links and a host of other shenanigans. Malware itself generates internet activity. Get a tech savvy law-firm and you aren't' going to jail even if you are a scum-bag.

Filth could even protect themselves with malware that purposely generates connections to child porn and hacking groups could certainly have a lot of fun altering records and distributing porn hunting malware.

As others have also mentioned one can make use of proxy servers and other means do get around their ISP being able to track their behavior.

Such records are almost meaningless without a reform of the web and it's security.

Look how well internet records worked in the Casey Anthony trial.

The bill does not force ISP users to log a user's web history.

here's the language in the bill:

SEC. 4. RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.

(a) In General- Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(h) Retention of Certain Records- A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the temporarily assigned network addresses the service assigns to each account, unless that address is transmitted by radio communication (as defined in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934).'.

(b) Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records."

That's it , no log of web history hinted at or mentioned in the bill.

It's just another incremental power grab.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

The bill does not force ISP users to log a user's web history.

here's the language in the bill:



That's it , no log of web history hinted at or mentioned in the bill.

It's just another incremental power grab.

But notice the ambiguity of the language? It could be
Interpreted in any way they want. The ambiguity is
Intentional.

Originally Posted by Invisible-Bob

But notice the ambiguity of the language? It could be
Interpreted in any way they want. The ambiguity is
Intentional.

Maybe I'm missing something but where is the ambiguity here: "A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the temporarily assigned network addresses the service assigns to each account" ?

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

I think we need a law that does just the opposite. They should require ISPs to scrub your credit card number from their database as soon as they recieve payment.

and any visitation information as well. This this 1000 times this. Privacy you know.