Thread: Class Warfare Is Ugly but Necessary

Interesting that Harvard U is going to give essentially free education to low income families. Certainly a conservative, ivy league university that looks to give some advantages to those in the lower class of the economy.

David A. Love: Class Warfare Is Ugly but Necessary to Get Rid of the Bad Blood

Harvard University, my alma mater, has decided that students from low income families -- earning less than $60,000 a year -- will pay no tuition and have no student loan burden. This was a forward-thinking policy decision by a wealthy institution sitting on $27.6 billion, the largest university endowment in the land. Implicit in Harvard's decision is an acknowledgment that things are getting out of hand in higher education, and in society in general. A quality education, often prohibitively expensive and out of reach to many, should not be accessible solely to the wealthy or those who are able to afford it.

This may be the dumbest in a long line of extremely stupid things you've posted.

Class warfare is never necessary, or constructive.

The action of the university is not class warfare in any way, shape or form, but once again the misguided liberal belief that because they wish something done, everyone else must be forced at gunpoint to do it as well.

wow so if a father works 2 jobs and a mother works a pt job and they raise 3-4 kids and just so happen to break that magical 60K line they are fucked.. It just shows liberals want to keep people poor and needing them

cool....

Originally Posted by ConLib

Interesting that Harvard U is going to give essentially free education to low income families. Certainly a conservative, ivy league university that looks to give some advantages to those in the lower class of the economy.

Harvard has a reputation to protect and grow.

As an acedemic institution you do that by taking in exceptional students, making them more exceptional, and releasing them into the world where they go out and become leaders.

I don't see this as a move by Harvard to "give back" so much as an effort to attract the most exceptional students and get them enrolled regardless of their family's socio-economic circumstances.

This is not, however, a new policy; it dates back to 2006 or 2007 or so.

Additionally, it is not a policy that is totally restircted to families making $60,000 or less. Fully 70% of Harvard undergrads recieve some degree of financial aid from the university, with families earning $180,000 per year only being required to contribute up to 10% of their income to the student's education.

The bottom line is that Harvard wants ALL students who believe they're qualified to apply, Harvard then picks 1700 incoming freshmen from the 40,000 or so applications they recieve each year, and then they work with the students to ensure that those who are accepted can afford the education.

Finally, I'd put the quote from the article that you included in your post in quotes. The way your post reads now it appears that you're saying that Harvard is YOUR alma mater.

Originally Posted by soot

Harvard has a reputation to protect and grow.

As an acedemic institution you do that by taking in exceptional students, making them more exceptional, and releasing them into the world where they go out and become leaders.

I don't see this as a move by Harvard to "give back" so much as an effort to attract the most exceptional students and get them enrolled regardless of their family's socio-economic circumstances.

This is not, however, a new policy; it dates back to 2006 or 2007 or so.

Additionally, it is not a policy that is totally restircted to families making $60,000 or less. Fully 70% of Harvard undergrads recieve some degree of financial aid from the university, with families earning $180,000 per year only being required to contribute up to 10% of their income to the student's education.

The bottom line is that Harvard wants ALL students who believe they're qualified to apply, Harvard then picks 1700 incoming freshmen from the 40,000 or so applications they recieve each year, and then they work with the students to ensure that those who are accepted can afford the education.

Finally, I'd put the quote from the article that you included in your post in quotes. The way your post reads now it appears that you're saying that Harvard is YOUR alma mater.

Problem is many wealthy families prefer to not associate with working class folk so it would be interesting to see how they react when they see much more poor and working class students attending. They will probably be segregated into a special building off-campus and told not to look the high-society people in the eye. LOL.

Class warfare is only necessary when making political points, or justifying political objectives. The problem is just about all debate related to left vs. right political objectives exercise discussion based on some form of class warfare, but most of the time will not admit it. As for me I tend to think I have no choice but to make most political debate about class warfare, because when you get down to it they mostly are.

Originally Posted by 9aces

This may be the dumbest in a long line of extremely stupid things you've posted.

Class warfare is never necessary, or constructive.

The action of the university is not class warfare in any way, shape or form, but once again the misguided liberal belief that because they wish something done, everyone else must be forced at gunpoint to do it as well.

You are right. Class war is never ever necessary. The non elites need to learn once and for all that they were put here on this earth to serve the masters.

Human socieities have throughout human history been comprised generally of the rich land owning elites, and the common rabble. Everytime the common rabble is given a chance to rise up, like cream in an churn, they do, but only when a 3rd entity(gov't) steps in, to help make it so. There have been very few times that the elites made this "rising" happen. This is due to human nature, personal greed, that is actually a left over evolutionary tool for survival. Yet it shits in its own bed, once civilization arises. It is very destructive, this greed, once humans form into large groups. It is not conducive in glueing large groups together into a whole. In fact, it tends to do the opposite. But greed is just as powerful as the sex drive. And like the sex drive it has to be controlled, by someone. If left unfettered, chaos reigns. Societies come apart, and we have seen this time and time again when we read history, or even observe current times.


The common rabble also being affected with greed, don't much take a liking to suffering, while a few elites live in grandor. They rightly or wrongly see their own plights as being relational to the luxury of the few elites. And within a Capitalistic economy, the common rabble and their own standard of living is directly tied to the rich elites. No one with any workable brain could honestly deny this very basic fact.

And of course the only right thing for the common rabble to do is to just accept their lot in life, as the Untouchables did in India, and never question. Because if they do question, class warefare is sure to erupt. And as you said, class warefare is never constructive, at least for the elites who are unable to quench their own greed.

People who think like you, which is most Cons, totally deny, or ignore what self knowledge yields. They will not acknowledge the power of greed, by a few, upon the common rabble. They will not admit that great wealth is also great power. And that greedy powerful men seldom will deviate from what greed demands. Since you don't want gov't interfering to make things fair, this sets up a great envirionment for that class warefare that you despise.


What I see today is more along the lines of Capitalism being the dictator of gov't, instead of the People being the dictator of gov't. Wealth has taken control, of this gov't by and for the people. And when that happens, class warefare is a given, and it isn't IF, it's WHEN.

Originally Posted by ConLib

David A. Love: Class Warfare Is Ugly but Necessary to Get Rid of the Bad Blood

Harvard University, my alma mater, has decided that students from low income families -- earning less than $60,000 a year -- will pay no tuition and have no student loan burden.

How is providing charity to those in need "Class Warfare" ?

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

They will not acknowledge the power of greed, by a few, upon the common rabble.

I agree.

And I have no idea why that's the case.

If you're better than the common rabble you shouldn't be ashamed of it.

I don't think you should lord your superiority over the rabble as many often do, but I don't think you should deprecate your status either.

Not everyone can be a chief, some folks HAVE to be indians, and sometimes indians have to be sacrificed on the alter of the great and all-powerful God Money.

If it were the other way around, and the rabble took control, they'd treat you the same way. In fact, I think many cases in history prove that when the rabble take power they often behave in a manner so barbaric that it puts the excesses and abuses of their former masters to shame.

People shouldn't be ashamed to say "I'm better than you and that's why I have more than you".

Originally Posted by soot

I agree.

And I have no idea why that's the case.

If you're better than the common rabble you shouldn't be ashamed of it.

I don't think you should lord your superiority over the rabble as many often do, but I don't think you should deprecate your status either.

Not everyone can be a chief, some folks HAVE to be indians, and sometimes indians have to be sacrificed on the alter of the great and all-powerful God Money.

If it were the other way around, and the rabble took control, they'd treat you the same way. In fact, I think many cases in history prove that when the rabble take power they often behave in a manner so barbaric that it puts the excesses and abuses of their former masters to shame.

People shouldn't be ashamed to say "I'm better than you and that's why I have more than you".

Generally speaking, the world has never had a shortage of that... or abuse by the wealthy for that matter...

The rich and powerful are rarely too humble... They usually end up being self-centered and spiteful...