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Chiquita · #**101** 04-02-2005, 03:59 AM

And so back full circle. The only way to prevent damage to the earth on any scale is to live as animals. No thanks.

Chiquita · #**102** 04-02-2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EuroKnight

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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for bacteria to step in and solve our own problems, however adaptable they may be.

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You underestimate bacteria and you overestimate yourself. See the link:

Amazing Bacteria

EuroKnight · #**103** 04-02-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiquita

And so back full circle. The only way to prevent damage to the earth on any scale is to live as animals. No thanks.

?? Who said anything about "living as animals"??

I would imagine that seeking out new energy sources that are sustainable and looking to improve our quality of life go hand in hand.

asainspace · #**104** 04-02-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiquita

You are just like the woman who said put them in pies. You don't have a concept of the magnitude of the problem. Yes, birds are filthy when there are millions of them and the exrement piles up a foot deep. People get histoplasmosis from the excrement. Look up histoplasmosis. If you think it would be fun go wallow in bird shit.

So,it is OK for us to fuck up their habitats? As long as you are alright, fuck everyone else. You were going on about everyone else being selfish and then you post this croc of shit.

asainspace · #**105** 04-02-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiquita

Wasn't it the Maya in South America who had a fairly sophisticated civilization? They used cement to build and had a fairly advanced lifestyle. Forgive if I call the wrong name. But they abandoned their civilization because they thought they had done something to the earth because they were burning limestone to make cement. They believed that the animals were going to turn on them and something about their going to be punished for what they were doing to nature. Looking at their civilization, it is actually funny now.

http://www.civilization.ca/civil/maya/mmc01eng.html

I think you should have look here.

Doesn't it say that the Maya, abandoned their cities for reasons unkown????

One theory is that they exhausted the food supply around the city and had to abandon it for fear of starvation?????

Yet again you sprout bollox thinking you know better, you are wrong.

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That is the kind of deductive reasoning that is being used here. There are natural events that occur that cause the planet to change. And, like the Maya we want all the credit. How ridiculous. Do I worry about a layer of styrofoam on the earth? No. When I had microbiology, I learned how adaptable bacteria are. They don't eat plastic now, but give them a few more years. They will be eating all the refuse in the landfills and it won't even exist. It took them less than 100 years to figure out how to chop up penicillin.

Yet again, it is not us who presume that we know all, but you.

We accept nature, no matter how cruel she can be, but we are saying that humans should protect the world given to us and when you understand this you will be a better person.

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This is not to say that we aren't doing some things to the environment, but I personally believe the environment has the ability to shut anything we do down BEFORE we destroy it.

Go tell that to the Amazon Jungle, which is being destroyed at a scale the size of Wales each year. You are showing more of your immature thinking and more proof that you are discredited in this thread, rightly.

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We don't have to be like the Maya and abandon what we have built out of fear. The universe is bigger than we are and one day someone is going to be looking from a different perspective and thinking how silly we were.

And you don't think that we are silly now?????

The Maya learnt a lesson, we still are waiting to learn that lesson.

You know nothing about me, yet you seeem to know how much I have travelled. Stop embarressing yourself Chiquita, your probably quite a nice person in real life, but disillusioned.

Helene · #**106** 04-02-2005, 09:25 PM

Cool down people.

Helene

Neal_Van · #**107** 04-03-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiquita

Wasn't it the Maya in South America who had a fairly sophisticated civilization? They used cement to build and had a fairly advanced lifestyle. Forgive if I call the wrong name. But they abandoned their civilization because they thought they had done something to the earth because they were burning limestone to make cement. They believed that the animals were going to turn on them and something about their going to be punished for what they were doing to nature. Looking at their civilization, it is actually funny now.

That is the kind of deductive reasoning that is being used here. There are natural events that occur that cause the planet to change. And, like the Maya we want all the credit. How ridiculous. Do I worry about a layer of styrofoam on the earth? No. When I had microbiology, I learned how adaptable bacteria are. They don't eat plastic now, but give them a few more years. They will be eating all the refuse in the landfills and it won't even exist. It took them less than 100 years to figure out how to chop up penicillin.

This is not to say that we aren't doing some things to the environment, but I personally believe the environment has the ability to shut anything we do down BEFORE we destroy it. We don't have to be like the Maya and abandon what we have built out of fear. The universe is bigger than we are and one day someone is going to be looking from a different perspective and thinking how silly we were.

Maya is the correct name but there society is no comparision to my pratical point of view.. My use of "deductive resoning" had nothing to do with the "culturial beliefs" of the Mayan indians... This type of ignorancy and ridicle used towards some very intelligent people who understand what is happening as we environmentally literate..

You want to refer to the environment as if it's a defense system designed specifically to preserve a habitat for us to live in.. Contrary to what you think the environment doesn't have the abilty to reverse the manufatured alterations we make and misuse of refined elements...

We don't have the means to abandon Earth I don't know if you study space travel and life as I have but we don't have the resouces, technology, or for that matter a guided philosophy to ever thinking of the Earth as temporary... And all your doing is rationalizing the bad mistakes we repeat..

Neal_Van · #**108** 04-03-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrob

im so sick of these activist scientists...

Why? Are sick because they define the responsibility we have with our technology..

Neal_Van · #**109** 04-03-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by partofme

I am just willing to admit that I personally have no way of knowing how serious the problem is or how much of it is our fault. I actually would like the know the opinions of more people here and more importantly how they came to their conclusions.

Believe it or not at one time I want to start a research and development corporation.. Well one of my good deeds was to save the environment, cure cancer and make robots to promote space exploration... Anyway my very small software company got obliterated when I tried to expand too rapidly and my goals became that of mearly surviving in the business world.. I still however acknowlede what is wrong with the environment and play a concious role.. I am far from an environement nut but think that simple changes played out by the masses would cure alot of ills... I also know that thinking positively (such as laughter) keeps you from getting cancer

among other things...

Neal_Van · #**110** 04-03-2005, 12:45 AM

Ok I provided resistance to the evil elements in here but I give up. I see there's no win win scenero in this arguement even though I have so much more to say... I could get out the liturature that I know exist and outweigh all the anti environmental arguaments.. It is an under-reasearched complicated science so it's easy to ridicle and bash... Got my own research to do so till another time bye and sorry couldn't change your way of thinking this time...

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