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Old 04-24-2004, 01:31 PM
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Very interesting re-analysis of global warming. Shows that the world really isn't the warmest it ever has been.

http://www.multi-science.co.uk/mcintyre_02.pdf

If you only want to skim it check out page 18
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:36 PM
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Very interesting re-analysis of global warming. Shows that the world really isn't the warmest it ever has been.

http://www.multi-science.co.uk/mcintyre_02.pdf

If you only want to skim it check out page 18
i don't think there is doubt we little men (and women) have had an effect
on the environment. we can only gauge in a handful of years... way back
when, or when our granparents spoke of 100' high snow drifts.
but yes, the world has gone through massive climate changes in its
extremely long history. fascinating stuff really. at least it is to me.
it will keep on changing too. whether we help it change, that is of
concern for we don't live long enough to change it back.
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:51 PM
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Yeah but we seemed to live through even more massive climate changes in the 1400s according to the study, so why wouldn't we live through the relatively minor ones now.

That and water vapor accounts for most of the earths greenhouse effect
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:12 PM
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I didn't read the article but I'm sure your missing the point..
The Summers have been hotter and winters have been cooler...
The average temperature isn't going to be as dramatic as whats
happening with our seasons...
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:44 PM
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The heat index is less then half of what it used to be in the 1400s. Perhaps you should actually read the article.


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Although not all of the dataset could be audited, it was possible to prepare a data
base with substantially improved quality control, by using the most recent data and
collating it correctly, by avoiding arbitrary filling in or truncation of data and by
computing principal components using standard algorithms. Without endorsing the
MBH98 methodology or choice of source data, we were able to apply the MBH98
methodology to a database with improved quality control and found that their own
method, carefully applied to their own intended source data, yielded a Northern
Hemisphere temperature index in which the late 20th century is unexceptional
compared to the preceding centuries, displaying neither unusually high mean values
nor variability. More generally, the extent of errors and defects in the MBH98 data
means that the indexes computed from it are unreliable and cannot be used for
comparisons between the current climate and that of past centuries, including claims
like “temperatures in the latter half of the 20th century were unprecedented,” and
“even the warmer intervals in the reconstruction pale in comparison with mid-to-late
20th-century temperatures” or that the 1990s was “likely the warmest decade” and 1998 the
“warmest year” of the millennium
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Old 04-25-2004, 12:47 AM
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I didn't read the article but I'm sure your missing the point..
The Summers have been hotter and winters have been cooler...
The average temperature isn't going to be as dramatic as whats
happening with our seasons...
So am I to blindly believe that man is the reason for the climit change???

And this planet is how old?
and how old is mankind?
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Old 04-25-2004, 04:02 PM
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No just pick and choose what articles you care to read...
It's only Earth were talking about -- Pay no mind...
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:09 PM
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No just pick and choose what articles you care to read...
It's only Earth were talking about -- Pay no mind...
it doesn't help your case any if your research is faulty.

I'm all for saving the environment, but when water vapor accounts for 98% of the greenhouse effect i have a hard time believing that we have any control over the earth getting any warmer.

We're better off worrying about reducing nox and various other chemicals which have an immediate effect on peoples health then worrying about the co2 cooking us to a crisp.
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:25 PM
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You have to realize if there is no global warming, if it is a natural trend, then there will be thousands of lawyers unemployed not too mention research types and bureacrats...sorry but global warming is a full employment act...
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:32 PM
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I think global stasis or global could be alternative fields of employment for the thousands of lawyers, research types and bureacrats
 

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