Thread: Scientists: global warming is real

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Fuck 'em! They can fend for themselves. Bring on the "warmtimes"!! Yeehaw (fires gun in the air) Yippeee!!

Self sufficiency has never been an option for the democratic us. Isolation is also not.

Seems like it is time to start investing heavily in bio-diesel, wind and solar power.

Why global warming is not natural

BY MARK HENDERSON, SCIENCE
CORRESPONDENT Report from the American Association for the Advancement of Science

THE strongest evidence yet that global warming has been triggered by human activity has emerged from a study of rising temperatures in the oceans. The rise in marine temperatures — by an average of 0.5C (0.9F) in 40 years — can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, research has shown. The results are so compelling that they should end controversy about the causes of climate change, one of the scientists who led the study said yesterday.

“The debate about whether there is a global warming signal now is over, at least for rational people,” said Tim Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. “The models got it right. If a politician stands up and says the uncertainty is too great to believe these models, that is no longer tenable.” Dr Barnett’s team examined seven million observations of temperature, salinity and other variables in the world’s oceans collected by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and compared the patterns with those predicted by computer models of potential causes of climate change. Natural variation in the Earth’s climate, or changes in solar activity or volcanic eruptions, which have been suggested as alternative explanations for rising temperatures, could not explain the data collected in the real world. Models based on man-made emissions of greenhouse gases matched the observations almost precisely. “What absolutely nailed it was the greenhouse model,” Dr Barnett told the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Washington. Two models, one designed in Britain and one here in the US, got it almost exactly. We were stunned.” Climate change has affected the seas in different ways in different parts of the world: in the Atlantic, rising temperatures can be observed up to 2,300ft below the surface, while in the Pacific the warming is seen only up to 330ft down. Only the greenhouse models replicated the changes that have been observed in practice. “All the potential culprits have been ruled out except one,” Dr Barnett said. The results, which are about to be submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal, should increase pressure on the US Administration to sign the Kyoto Protocol, which came into force this week, he said. “It is time for nations that are not part of Kyoto to re-evaluate and see if it would be to their advantage to join,” he said. “The debate is not — have we got a clear global warming signal; the debate is — what we are going to do about it.” In a separate study a team led by Ruth Curry, of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Connecticut, has established that 20,000 sq km of freshwater ice melted in the Arctic between 1965 and 1995. Further melting on this scale could be sufficient to turn off the ocean currents that drive the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain up to 6C warmer than it would otherwise be.

More evidence for the non-belivers.

Pity people like Libertarian can't help but be stupid with regards to an issue we are all trying to have a debate about.

I can also see mass extinction being a major problem with climate change. If we upset the delicate ecological system (which we have already disturbed to an extent) we threaten the very diversity of our world and then maybe directly, our own fates. We have a moral duty to protect, for our own interests.

I applaud all the countries that took the steps to even bother signing a pact which marks the beginning of our fight back on environmental destruction.

Originally Posted by JDD

That's a cheap shot.

Your example that "if all shipping into the cities ceased for four days they would be facing massive starvation" is the kind that makes people shake their heads.

That was the justification given during the Ronald Regan Union busting era, Truckers and the Railroads were not permitted to strike for these reason.

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Fuck 'em! They can fend for themselves. Bring on the "warmtimes"!! Yeehaw (fires gun in the air) Yippeee!!

YEEEEEEE- HAW!

Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Seems like it is time to start investing heavily in bio-diesel, wind and solar power.

Well, that should've been done a long time ago. Now it's just getting worse. Just think about Asia which is industrializing more than ever, and getting richer too! More and more people will have the money to buy stuff, which will increase the production which means that more energy is wanted. We can't go on like this! It's just a fact that we will pollute the earth so much that something's gonna happen. like global warming for example. And the oil and gas coal is not gonna last forever. So we have to invest more in "green" energy like you say. Otherwise we gonna end up in a world wher nobody wants to live...

Originally Posted by asainspace

Pity people like Libertarian can't help but be stupid with regards to an issue we are all trying to have a debate about.

I can also see mass extinction being a major problem with climate change. If we upset the delicate ecological system (which we have already disturbed to an extent) we threaten the very diversity of our world and then maybe directly, our own fates. We have a moral duty to protect, for our own interests.

I applaud all the countries that took the steps to even bother signing a pact which marks the beginning of our fight back on environmental destruction.

So anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of "global warming" is stupid? Gimme a break. Scientists don't even agree on the issue. mass extinction...delicate environment....diversity...what a crock of shit!! .baah baah ....Sheeple make me sick.

Originally Posted by Libertarian

So anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of "global warming" is stupid? Gimme a break. Scientists don't even agree on the issue. mass extinction...delicate environment....diversity...what a crock of shit!! .baah baah ....Sheeple make me sick.

You are part of the problem, and you obviously don't get outdoors very often...and I'm not talking about going to the minimart to microwave another burito, I'm talking about really getting out there. If you did you might see what we are talking about. I've seen the damage done by pine beetles in the South East. I've seen the disappearance of the Eastern Elm tree and others. Animals, plants leaving this earth forever, due to very small eco changes, caused by man.

People like you remind me of a Family Circus cartoon where the little baby is hiding in the closet with his eyes covered and he thinks that if he can't see them then they can't see him. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Why don't you go hike 50 miles in Big South Fork and then tell me you don't care about the environment.

Originally Posted by Libertarian

So anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of "global warming" is stupid? Gimme a break. Scientists don't even agree on the issue. mass extinction...delicate environment....diversity...what a crock of shit!! .baah baah ....Sheeple make me sick.

Do you know how to get your point across without resorting to expletives and stupidity?