Thread: Under the radar gun control?

Originally Posted by reality

Or they'll just buy as many ar's in .22 caliber as they can get their hands on and simply switch out the upper receiver and barrel to .223 or 5.56. This is just more useless bullshit

Well, I guess that'll at least make their guns a little more expensive. Still sounds like a colossal waste of time to me.

This form is to be used by licensees to report all transactions in which an unlicensed person acquired, at one time or during five consecutive business days, two or more semi-automatic rifles larger than .22 caliber (including .223/5.56 caliber) with the ability to accept a detachable magazine.This form is not required when the rifles are returned to the same person from whom they are received.

Why are you so upset about dealers being required to keep a record of the type of transaction that would be most likely to be engaged in by a gang planning a series of raids of some type?

Originally Posted by John Drake

Why are you so upset about dealers being required to keep a record of the type of transaction that would be most likely to be engaged in by a gang planning a series of raids of some type?

Why aren't you upset about an executive branch agency pulling new law out of it's ass? Do you fail to see the potential problems?

The legislative branch and the executive branch have powers specifically separate under the Constitution.

Matt

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Why aren't you upset about an executive branch agency pulling new law out of it's ass? Do you fail to see the potential problems?

The legislative branch and the executive branch have powers specifically separate under the Constitution.

Matt

Because that's how Federal Agencies work. Congress passes a law and then relies upon the Executive Branch to... uh...execute it...the specific regulations they choose to do so are up to them.

The gun dealers are still being allowed to sell as many guns of any type to anyone as they were before, they just have to keep a record of it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the proposed record keeping. I just believe that the executive branch is exceeding it's Constitutional purview by adopting new regulation absent legislative mandate.

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Originally Posted by MattInFla

Personally, I don't have a problem with the proposed record keeping. I just believe that the executive branch is exceeding it's Constitutional purview by adopting new regulation absent legislative mandate.

ILYWGBB!!!!!

Isn't that like saying the ICC has to go back to Congress everytime they want to change maximum truck weights, or the brakes they have to have or just about anything? It's like speed limits, the fact that they can have them at all is a state law but the limit for an individual road is handled by the State Roads Commission, which is under the Executive Branch, (at least in my state, maybe that's why they don't have any in Montana)

Originally Posted by chassisman

I heard noises early this year about the possibility of imposing further regulation on FFL dealers, but then (like everything else) the issue left the scene. Last week I received a certified letter from the ATF with a letter telling me that they have a new form ( Report of Multiple Sales of Other Disposition of Certain Rifles)
that I must fill out. (There is already a multiple sales form for handguns).
It states:



I can't help if this went thru under the radar or I just don't follow the news closely enough. I'm sure if I would have went to pro 2nd Amendment-NRA forums I would have seen it coming, but I don't visit them.
This is pretty stupid, IMO. If a man wanted to buy 5 AR-15's all he would have to do is visit 5 different dealers. More forms, more ATF employees, more expense, more govt waste, no actual impact as the form intends.
My prediction is they will also end up changing the questions on the regular Firearms Transaction Record Part I Over the Counter to include a question such as : Have your purchased or transferred a firearm in the past 5 days? That will probably show up under the radar as well.

I think they are trying to get rid of guns altogether "under the radar" by making the sale and purchase so burdensome that dealers just get out of the business. The government can't change the right to bare arms but it can make baring arms such a nightmare that folks just don't bother with it.