Thread: Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

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YouTube - Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

Ms. Maddow follows some of the money trail.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

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YouTube - Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

Ms. Maddow follows some of the money trail.

You do realize their are no secret "anti-health reform organizations."

No one is anti-health care reform, some people are just SMARTER then others and SEE the problem with epic spending, government dictation, bureaucracy and where that will leave us 10 or 20 years down the road..

Liberals want FREE health care NOW and they dont give a fuck whats going to happen in 10 years...

Furthermore the fucking drafters of these "health care reform" bills wont even use their own product and that speaks volumes about how fucked up it really is...

Oh and fuck Rachel Maddow too. The only reason why that bitch is on MSNBC is because they want to look uber liberal "diverse." Thats why the bounced Tucker and replaced him with her.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

Here is a link to the video.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

Ms. Maddow follows some of the money trail.

The whole shebang is awash in special interest money, thank heavens Obama has lived up to pledge to make the negotiations on the bill transparent and to stop politics as usual, you know not allowing all of the lobbyists from Pharma, insurance grp.s the unions as the visitor transcripts have told us whom have been to the WH numerous times over the last 11 months.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

You do realize their are no secret "anti-health reform organizations."

No, there aren't. Those that are blatantly "anti-health reform" are trying pretty hard to conceal who they are, while publicly not saying all that much.

For instance, if you took the time to watch the video, the three organizations Maddow hi-lighted all have such high-minded sounding names: "Americans for Quality and Affordable Helathcare" (AQAH), and "the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest" (CMPI).

Both of these organizations are being fronted by both PR and law firms, who refuse to divulge the identities of the companies and/or organizations that they are running "anti-healthcare reform bill" websites and campaigns for.

But the law firm running AQAH has a long history of association with the healthcare insurance industry, and CMPI is currently funded mostly by the paharmaceutical companies and PhARMA the industry lobbying group.

And then there's the ever popular "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons" (AAPS). AAPS's spokesman, one Doctor David McCaleb, is responsible for such gems as the poster of Obama as a communist witch doctor, and the claims on Lou Dobbs that Mexicans are responsible for an "epidemic" of leprosy cases in the US, a claim easily refuted. Or how about his claims in print and on Glenn Beck's show that people voted for Obama because of secret hypnotism and mind control carried out through his speeches.

I'd be trying to hide my association with these guys as well.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

No one is anti-health care reform...

True... to a point. The health insurance companies and PhARMA certainly are not against those parts of the reform bills that make them more money, like the requirement for everyone to buy health insurance. They're just anti-the parts where they might have to expend any of that money, like covering pre-existing conditions, or pharmacies being required to sell the generic version of a drug to patients if available, instead of that more profitable name brand.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

some people are just SMARTER then others and SEE the problem with epic spending, government dictation, bureaucracy and where that will leave us 10 or 20 years down the road..

And some are actively anti healthcare reform, because they know they've got a good thing going right now, and whether or not the healthcare reform bill is going to be good for the country, the changes are going to bad for them. By the way, just for the record, I think both bills wending their way through congress are terrible. Horribly expensive, while doing absolutely nothing to actually cut costs in healthcare spending. A huge giveaway to the insurance companies, with no committment or guarantee of savings.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Liberals want FREE health care NOW and they dont give a fuck whats going to happen in 10 years...

Nonsense. As much as you, I fully understand that there's a price tag attached to everything. The biggest difference between the liberals and democrats right now on healthcare seems to be that the conservatives think that spending nearly 20% of GDP in the health arena is just hunky-dory. Liberals think it's unsustainable - and it is. But neither side has a clue as to what's really going to bring down costs, and they both seem hell-bent on costing us even more.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Oh and fuck Rachel Maddow too. The only reason why that bitch is on MSNBC is because they want to look uber liberal "diverse." Thats why the bounced Tucker and replaced him with her.

What a wonderful little world you've managed to construct for yourself, Swoop. It must be all cotton candy clouds and ice cream where you come from.

But let's get real for a moment, shall we? Tucker Carlson, much as I enjoyed watching him, could barely get out of single digits in the ratings, after numerous format attempts and time-slots.

Rachel Maddow, love her or hate her (and I'm not particularly fond of her style), gets rating for her show that are far and away what Carlson ever got, or even dreamed of getting. And that's what puts people on television. Ratings. You and I may both decry the loss of Tucker Carlson on a regular basis on TV. Then again, we were probably at least 10% of his regular viewing audience.

Originally Posted by NiteGuy

No, there aren't. Those that are blatantly "anti-health reform" are trying pretty hard to conceal who they are, while publicly not saying all that much.

For instance, if you took the time to watch the video, the three organizations Maddow hi-lighted all have such high-minded sounding names: "Americans for Quality and Affordable Helathcare" (AQAH), and "the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest" (CMPI).

Both of these organizations are being fronted by both PR and law firms, who refuse to divulge the identities of the companies and/or organizations that they are running "anti-healthcare reform bill" websites and campaigns for.

But the law firm running AQAH has a long history of association with the healthcare insurance industry, and CMPI is currently funded mostly by the paharmaceutical companies and PhARMA the industry lobbying group.

And then there's the ever popular "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons" (AAPS). AAPS's spokesman, one Doctor David McCaleb, is responsible for such gems as the poster of Obama as a communist witch doctor, and the claims on Lou Dobbs that Mexicans are responsible for an "epidemic" of leprosy cases in the US, a claim easily refuted. Or how about his claims in print and on Glenn Beck's show that people voted for Obama because of secret hypnotism and mind control carried out through his speeches.

I'd be trying to hide my association with these guys as well.

No doubt, there are plenty who stand to lose a buck on any type of socialized heath care, but these groups are IMO [and logically] opposed because it means less profits if any business business at all.

True... to a point. The health insurance companies and PhARMA certainly are not against those parts of the reform bills that make them more money, like the requirement for everyone to buy health insurance. They're just anti-the parts where they might have to expend any of that money, like covering pre-existing conditions, or pharmacies being required to sell the generic version of a drug to patients if available, instead of that more profitable name brand.

Its the pharmaceutical companies that stand to make the most off of any type of socialized health care thats for sure... You can bet they surely support socialized health care.

And some are actively anti healthcare reform, because they know they've got a good thing going right now, and whether or not the healthcare reform bill is going to be good for the country, the changes are going to bad for them. By the way, just for the record, I think both bills wending their way through congress are terrible. Horribly expensive, while doing absolutely nothing to actually cut costs in healthcare spending. A huge giveaway to the insurance companies, with no committment or guarantee of savings.

No doubt quite a few medical doctors are opposed to any type of universal health care... Then again socialized health care is good for shitty doctors because it eliminates supply and demand as an employment factor.

If there is an option the great ones will still operate there private practices while the government employs those who aren't good enough to make it on their own which is another problem.

Nonsense. As much as you, I fully understand that there's a price tag attached to everything. The biggest difference between the liberals and democrats right now on healthcare seems to be that the conservatives think that spending nearly 20% of GDP in the health arena is just hunky-dory. Liberals think it's unsustainable - and it is. But neither side has a clue as to what's really going to bring down costs, and they both seem hell-bent on costing us even more.

I think democrats know and understand about the costs and I think progressives really don't give a shit.. Thats blatantly obvious by the way they spend money so "liberally" [no pun ]

What a wonderful little world you've managed to construct for yourself, Swoop. It must be all cotton candy clouds and ice cream where you come from.

Yeah, only when I'm stoned.

But let's get real for a moment, shall we? Tucker Carlson, much as I enjoyed watching him, could barely get out of single digits in the ratings, after numerous format attempts and time-slots.

Rachel Maddow, love her or hate her (and I'm not particularly fond of her style), gets rating for her show that are far and away what Carlson ever got, or even dreamed of getting. And that's what puts people on television. Ratings. You and I may both decry the loss of Tucker Carlson on a regular basis on TV. Then again, we were probably at least 10% of his regular viewing audience.

Well I thought Tucker was fantastic, I think Rachel is a perpetrator of liberal propaganda.

I think Tucker should have stayed in the 10PM slot where he belonged.. MSNBC would have cut him regardless for his political views IMO no matter how good or bad his ratings were.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

Here is a link to the video.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

Ms. Maddow follows some of the money trail.

when is she going to expose all the "secret" Pro-Health Insurance Reform groups and their true agendas?

She never will, because you know its totally not important that all of those "pro health care reform" groups that she and other liberals support have pre-manufactured signs from Organize for America and, ACORN, and the SEIU when they demonstrate and those "anti health care reform stupid conservative Republican operative insurance company-loving rednecks" who protested during the summer had obviously homemade signs with highlighter written words on them. Now geez, I do wonder which one seems more "astroturf" and "fake". Surely not the protests where all the people have exactly the same manufactured sign. Surely not. It's those folks with uneven letters and highlighter on poster board. Yeah. And I love it how supposedly there were so many Republicans and insurance companies paying people to show up to townhalls, then it was leaked that the Democrats (and other groups like the ones mentioned above) actually were encouraging and paying people to show up, complete with manufactured signs. Then, here's the best part. Remember how all the conservatives (and others) demonstrating against health care reform were getting violent and dangerous, but then an African-American man (who was AGAINST health care reform) at a rally in St. Loius was beat up by several SEIU members. Man isn't hypocrisy great!

Originally Posted by Steerpike

Here is a link to the video.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow Exposes "Secret" Anti-Health Reform Groups

Ms. Maddow follows some of the money trail.

I have a hard time taking anything that a person such as her says seriously.

Originally Posted by TheLonelySquire

I have a hard time taking anything that a person such as her says seriously.

Yeah, I know the feeling - Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck...

Originally Posted by NiteGuy

Yeah, I know the feeling - Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck...

I'm in absolute agreement with you why give her any more credibility then one does the opportunistic clowns?