Thread: A Twist In Obama's Health Care Law

Originally Posted by NickandJay

... We are guaranteed life...

Yeah, so long as my life doesn't tread on your pursuit of happiness. Thousands need healthcare and are denied because they cannot pay for it themselves and cannot pay the premiums of insurance. We are only guaranteed life if we can afford it. That is not equality.

Originally Posted by Forplay

I didn't know Americans are being denied health care.

Coverage Denied: How the Current Health Insurance System Leaves Millions Behind

Originally Posted by Talk Easy

Yeah, so long as my life doesn't tread on your pursuit of happiness. Thousands need healthcare and are denied because they cannot pay for it themselves and cannot pay the premiums of insurance. We are only guaranteed life if we can afford it. That is not equality.

You still don't get it... The constitution doesn't promise how long your life will be... That would be impossible. It only promises that you can have life. By being born and taking a breathe, you have achieved the first promise. The government is not responsible for your health and well being. You do not have a right to healthcare, an education, insurance or even food. Those things should be your responsibility. Stop relying on the government for everything. The world doesn't owe you anything, despite what you may think.

Originally Posted by NickandJay

You still don't get it... The constitution doesn't promise how long your life will be... That would be impossible. It only promises that you can have life. By being born and taking a breathe, you have achieved the first promise. The government is not responsible for your health and well being. You do not have a right to healthcare, an education, insurance or even food. Those things should be your responsibility. Stop relying on the government for everything. The world doesn't owe you anything, despite what you may think.

If I ever pay a dime in taxes, then the government owes me SOMETHING. So what you're saying is that Public Education is fraud and the government should do away with it, since it isn't a constitutional mandate? If we don't provide services to the people, then what is the government but an empty shell of rules to follow. If that's the case then I hear the government saying you have to do "this" and obey "this" law, and receive nothing in return, other than the right to live or die depending on how Darwin is feeling that day. You're on your own for the rest, but you still better do everything we say.

Originally Posted by NickandJay

You still don't get it... The constitution doesn't promise how long your life will be... That would be impossible. It only promises that you can have life. By being born and taking a breathe, you have achieved the first promise. The government is not responsible for your health and well being. You do not have a right to healthcare, an education, insurance or even food. Those things should be your responsibility. Stop relying on the government for everything. The world doesn't owe you anything, despite what you may think.

The fundamental question is this:

If, as a result of poor planning or bad luck, someone is starving to death, or can't afford crucial medical care, does the government help them? Or do we let them die?

We are guaranteed life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. That means we are all promised equal opportunity but NOT equal outcome.

OK, but if poor people cannot afford health care, food or a quality education for their children — and the government will not help them, as you suggest — how exactly has the promise of "equal opportunity" been fulfilled?

Originally Posted by AdamKadmon

The fundamental question is this:

If, as a result of poor planning or bad luck, someone is starving to death, or can't afford crucial medical care, does the government help them? Or do we let them die?



OK, but if poor people cannot afford health care, food or a quality education for their children — and the government will not help them, as you suggest — how exactly has the promise of "equal opportunity" been fulfilled?

Exactly! And if someone has a life threatening illness and doesn't have access to health care, how is the "life" part fulfilled?

And if one has to satisfy him/herself with suffering without access to proper health care, watch his/her children's life cut short because of the lack of proper health care, how does that satisfy the "pursuit of happiness?"

When Britain succeeds in giving people health care, we can discuss it. Right now, every citizen in Britain has what we in the US have: access to the emergency room.

Originally Posted by adaher

When Britain succeeds in giving people health care, we can discuss it. Right now, every citizen in Britain has what we in the US have: access to the emergency room.

Obama's health care plan isn't modeled on the British system.

Yet even if your point is correct, the U.S., pre-"Obamacare," pays more than double what the British pay on a per capita basis (and almost double on a percentage of GDP basis) for health care. What, in your view, justifies paying so much more for what you argue is effectively the same thing?

Originally Posted by adaher

Right now, every citizen in Britain has what we in the US have: access to the emergency room.

How Does Britain's National Health Service Work? - TIME

Here's what they have access to. And I understand the #1 one or #2 complaint about national health care is the wait times. Britain developed the Acute Assessment Unit, meaning they prioritize cases based on urgency. Yeah, you might not get treatment within 15 minutes of showing up, but you will survive without killing your bank account. I broke my collar bone 5 months ago, was seen within 10 minutes, out within 2 hours, and two weeks later I get billed for a $10,000 ER visit.

Originally Posted by Uncle Mike of S

In other words" I got mine and fuck the rest of y'all" If you let people suffer as much as the teabaggers seem to want the rest of US to, maybe there will be some real stealing going on with guns and everything. Ya think?

Yep, the usual bullshit retarded response of people who can't understand how America works.

America was founded to do things differently than the rest of the world.

Which is something you retards can't understand.

We don't want to be enslaved to the government, regardless of what the American media tells you. We want to have our own resources and life.

You can not have that if the government oversees and micromanages everything.

Which is an alien concept to people like you.

But who cares. We've all got to be the same way.