Thread: Obamacare

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

So can somebody explain why Health Care Reform is so bad?

I did my own research and was not convinced it was this horrible thing that some people make it out to be.

But I want to hear from opponents of it, what is so bad about it?

Thanks.

first it does nothing to adress the real problem all it does is throw tax payer dollars at it. causing greater taxes, deeper debt, higher prices and does nothing.
two the gov does not have the right to force people to buy anything they dont want just ofr being alive.

Originally Posted by Stangler

Obamacare fails mostly because it doesn't go far enough. The US is trying to compete in the global economy with a healthcare system that is significantly less efficient than all of our competitors which puts our labor force at a competitive disadvantage. Universal Healthcare will eventually happen because it is significantly more efficient than our current system. It may take 100 years for the American people to wake up to facts but eventually facts win out.

The German system is the best system out there at the moment and it is the easiest system for the US to transition into.

I agree. The biggest problem is that it is a hybrid of systems. It is still "for profit' medicine in that the insurance companies, hospitals, and HMO's all have to operate at a profit.

In Europe and Canada, the leading models and the most highly rated systems according to the WHO, for profit medicine is the least efficient and most expensive system.

Originally Posted by FearandLoathing

I agree. The biggest problem is that it is a hybrid of systems. It is still "for profit' medicine in that the insurance companies, hospitals, and HMO's all have to operate at a profit.

In Europe and Canada, the leading models and the most highly rated systems according to the WHO, for profit medicine is the least efficient and most expensive system.

you do know that the who upgrades systems that have free health care and down grades those that dont and they do not base that up or down mark on quality of care just if it is free

Originally Posted by sailorman126

you do know that the who upgrades systems that have free health care and down grades those that dont and they do not base that up or down mark on quality of care just if it is free

No, what I know is that in the most recent survey that waiting lists, access to care and level of care was considered. Also a factor was annual cost to GDP ratio.
If you were correct then Cuba and Korea would score very high, but do not based on the level of care and waiting lists.

That "free" business was some US government propaganda because the United States scored, i think, 34th. But the rating came as a result of access to care, with over 30% of the populace without access [coverage] brought the US rating down. Also, was the high cost/GDP ratio, one of the highest in the world.

Originally Posted by FearandLoathing

No, what I know is that in the most recent survey that waiting lists, access to care and level of care was considered. Also a factor was annual cost to GDP ratio.
If you were correct then Cuba and Korea would score very high, but do not based on the level of care and waiting lists.

That "free" business was some US government propaganda because the United States scored, i think, 34th. But the rating came as a result of access to care, with over 30% of the populace without access [coverage] brought the US rating down. Also, was the high cost/GDP ratio, one of the highest in the world.

guess you missed this
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

WHO's assessment system was based on five indicators: overall level of population health; health inequalities (or disparities) within the population; overall level of health system responsiveness (a combination of patient satisfaction and how well the system acts); distribution of responsiveness within the population (how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system); and the distribution of the health system's financial burden within the population (who pays the costs).