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Old 08-09-2006, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: When is abortion murder?

Human life begins at conception--or actually before conception, the eggs and sperm cells are human life. This life does not become a separate human being, with its own rights, however, until it is born and separated from the mother. Anytime before that, it has the same legal and moral rights as a body part. If we were to punish, with the charge of murder, citizens for the destruction of human life in all of its forms, then everyone who chewed would be a mass murderer (every bite destroys cheek cells which line your mouth). Every cut to another person is murder. Abortion, you see, is morally equivalent to an amputation.
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:28 PM
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Hank, "lifenews" isn't particularly credible, either. Sorry that I don't buy a vehemently anti-abortion organization's website as a news source.

"Partial birth" abortions are EXTRAORDINARILY rare. You are aware of that, right?
While I am aware of it, I still think think it should be banned.

And as you know, I lean towards social liberalism, too.

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Old 08-09-2006, 12:36 PM
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While I am aware of it, I still think think it should be banned.

And as you know, I lean towards social liberalism, too.

Ben

My fear is for those very few cases where it's done to save the life of the mother. Unless there's another alternative, doctors shouldn't be limited in this one if it's a lifesaving technique.

If it was a common thing, I'd be right there with you.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:21 PM
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My fear is for those very few cases where it's done to save the life of the mother. Unless there's another alternative, doctors shouldn't be limited in this one if it's a lifesaving technique.

If it was a common thing, I'd be right there with you.
Oh, I agree with you there, too. Mother's life comes first.

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Old 08-10-2006, 07:02 PM
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Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Fair poetry, but rather illogical
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: When is abortion murder?

here is a really good alturnative, private adoption....mmm?? There are plenty of families out there that would be glad to bring another child into there familiy. It seems to me the reasons woman have abortions are purely selfish reasons. I understand that some are from rape and incest but the majority are just because the mother doesnt want the baby.
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Old 08-13-2006, 10:32 AM
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here is a really good alturnative, private adoption....mmm?? There are plenty of families out there that would be glad to bring another child into there familiy. It seems to me the reasons woman have abortions are purely selfish reasons. I understand that some are from rape and incest but the majority are just because the mother doesnt want the baby.
that to me is not necessarily a selfish reason. and usually is not.
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: When is abortion murder?

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Hank, "lifenews" isn't particularly credible, either. Sorry that I don't buy a vehemently anti-abortion organization's website as a news source.

"Partial birth" abortions are EXTRAORDINARILY rare. You are aware of that, right?
You have a way of brushing off anything that doesn't agree with your view. Is that how you maintain your position? Eyes tightly closed, hands over ears, and shouting LA LA LA at the top of your lungs so that you never have to hear the truth?

It took me about 20 seconds to find a source that any rational person should find credible. CBS news. Credible enough?

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

If you are interested in the truth, it doesn't take much effort to find it. More effort perhaps than clamping your hands over your ears and shouting LA LA LA, but not much more.
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:54 PM
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You have a way of brushing off anything that doesn't agree with your view. Is that how you maintain your position? Eyes tightly closed, hands over ears, and shouting LA LA LA at the top of your lungs so that you never have to hear the truth?

It took me about 20 seconds to find a source that any rational person should find credible. CBS news. Credible enough?

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

If you are interested in the truth, it doesn't take much effort to find it. More effort perhaps than clamping your hands over your ears and shouting LA LA LA, but not much more.
Lately you are making quite a habit of posting a link and pretending it has something to do with the subject. (changing horses in the middle of the stream maybe????) Your link has absolutely nothing to do with partial birth abortions.
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