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Old 07-08-2006, 10:46 PM
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In any case, my impression of Empress Dowager is that she was incompetent. She was too slow to reform China, and I believe one of China's most prominent ministers who wanted reform was killed during her reign.
she was a pariot,because she didn't surrender to westerner.but she was a an incompetent leader too.she was so stuffy
in late Dynasty Qing,Sun Zhongshan(孙中山)established Revolution party(at last,Sun reform this party into KMT) in Honolulu,Hawaii ,and try to rise up to beat Dynasrty Qing,Dowager still didn't accept republicanism to reform China.
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Old 07-08-2006, 10:49 PM
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in China,we don't call Dowager "empress",because she was not empress.the only one empress is Wu zeitian
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really?it is very funny.can you tell me how does the writer distribe Wu zeitian in his novel?

she did much bad things,but she was not a such evil woman.
She was very sympathetically depicted.

Sad that she had such a miserable family life,
turning against her own children.

She must have been some hot number, to win the passions
of two consecutive Emperors so completely.
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Old 07-09-2006, 12:24 AM
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She was very sympathetically depicted.

Sad that she had such a miserable family life,
turning against her own children.

She must have been some hot number, to win the passions
of two consecutive Emperors so completely.
oh,My God,novel is different history...
she wasn't born a poor family,either not a rich family
whether she killed her daughter or not is a puzzle,maybe is a lengend.a woman who is cruel to her daughter is abnormal.
somebody said she was goer,but they didn't complain Emperor have thousands wives.
she was a smart cookie.this was difficult to find the second female like him in ancient China history,so she was very special.
she wasn't sympathetically,she was very clever,she knows what she do
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Old 07-09-2006, 12:28 AM
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she is still pronoun of goer today.that's too sad.people have two different reverse opinion about her.
Chinese directors shot many TV soaps and movie about her story.most are commiserate her
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:09 AM
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some Chinese try to suggest Chinese government allow they Dig out empress Wu zeitian's tomb to research Dynasty history.
but most Chinese disagree,because Chinese technology can't protect the things in tomb.
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oh,My God,novel is different history...
she wasn't born a poor family,either not a rich family
whether she killed her daughter or not is a puzzle,maybe is a lengend.a woman who is cruel to her daughter is abnormal.
somebody said she was goer,but they didn't complain Emperor have thousands wives.
she was a smart cookie.this was difficult to find the second female like him in ancient China history,so she was very special.
she wasn't sympathetically,she was very clever,she knows what she do
The novel portrayed her as coming from one of China's leading families.

There was some doubt in the novel as to whether her daughter was actually murdered, but Wu herself was not a suspect.

Her relationship with most of her sons was very poor, as I recall.
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Old 07-10-2006, 04:01 AM
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The novel portrayed her as coming from one of China's leading families.

There was some doubt in the novel as to whether her daughter was actually murdered, but Wu herself was not a suspect.
in some history book,some writers said empress Wu Zeitian killed her daughter,and they said Wu Zeitian did this to lay the sin at the Emperor's wife's door.and she success.since that,Wu Zeitian can keep the Emperor company all day.and she got much power from him

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Her relationship with most of her sons was very poor, as I recall
this is not truth.she was the Emperor's wife,if you relize China culture,you will know her sons's family name is the Emperor's: Li.
no Emperor's son lived in poor.after Wu Zeitian dead,one of her descendants,a Emperor of the Dynasty Tang.his official told him the rascal rout have no rice to eat,most are dead.the Emperor was surprised:the rascal rout have no rice,why don't they eat meat?
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