Thread: Eliminate the Federal Government and then what?

Greetings and Felicitations,

Seeing as I wasn't clear enough in my other thread.

What would you do about the problems we face as a people and a nation in place of the federal government?

If the federal government is the evil that people keep saying it is then why support its continued existence. Several states have already put the foundations of succession into place which invalidates the federal government. Withdraw all articles of federation and let the states exist as autonomous units instead.

The government is violating the constitution on a daily and directed basis so the constitution has failed as a guideline. I know this is so because people keep telling me they are. Perhaps it is time to kick it out and start over.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Or we could just say whoa and return to it's governance.

Greetings and Felicitations,

Originally Posted by daddio

Or we could just say whoa and return to it's governance.

How do you solve the problems that it has been tasked to solve without it? Are you willing to accept the levels of death and suffering that would be entailed in such a plan?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,



How do you solve the problems that it has been tasked to solve without it? Are you willing to accept the levels of death and suffering that would be entailed in such a plan?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

"problems that it has been tased to solve ?"

is it permitted by it's Constitution to attempt this ? No.

if you want to change the Constitution to alter this fact, have at it.

the community used to do a pretty good job with this before the government stuck it's nose in the tent.

Greetings and Felicitations,

Originally Posted by daddio

"problems that it has been tased to solve ?"

is it permitted by it's Constitution to attempt this ? No.

if you want to change the Constitution to alter this fact, have at it.

Do not the actions of the elected representatives chosen by the people show the support for the changes which have been made? In other words. People that we have selected to represent us have made these changes.

Originally Posted by daddio

the community used to do a pretty good job with this before the government stuck it's nose in the tent.

Did it? Did it really? Have you actually done any research into the actual living conditions before the government started trying to alleviate the problems.

Just for an example. Here is a simple list of people who would face extreme hardships should the government suddenly revert.

51 Million Social Security recipients suddenly without the means to support themselves with food and shelter.

Social Security (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

43 Million Medicare recipients suddenly without medication and health care.

Medicare (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

49 million Medicaid recipients (low-income children, pregnant women, elderly persons, and disabled individuals) suddenly without medication and health care.

Medicaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

35 million Food Stamp(EBT) recipients suddenly without access to food.

Food Stamp Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,
Do not the actions of the elected representatives chosen by the people show the support for the changes which have been made? In other words. People that we have selected to represent us have made these changes.

If you want to change the Constitution there is a process to follow.

Did it? Did it really? Have you actually done any research into the actual living conditions before the government started trying to alleviate the problems.

Yes.

Just for an example. Here is a simple list of people who would face extreme hardships should the government suddenly revert.

51 Million Social Security recipients suddenly without the means to support themselves with food and shelter.

Social Security (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

43 Million Medicare recipients suddenly without medication and health care.

Medicare (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

49 million Medicaid recipients (low-income children, pregnant women, elderly persons, and disabled individuals) suddenly without medication and health care.

Medicaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

35 million Food Stamp(EBT) recipients suddenly without access to food.

Food Stamp Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Its highly unlikely we would dscontinue this in one fell swoop but we should craft a path out of this mess.

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,

Seeing as I wasn't clear enough in my other thread.

If the federal government is the evil that people keep saying it is then why support its continued existence.
C. David Neely

It is well past time we cease allowing the brain to confuse the people working in government with the concept of the federal government. The American Constitution is a work worth dying for, and it is not the government that is the problem, the problem are those working in the government.

It is time for "accidents" to begin happening to those who head this government and who have ceased working for the people. The government workers have forgotten that they work for the people, and it is the people who have allowed themselves to be abused, mistreated and made irrelevant.

I believe a few well placed accidents occurring to members of Congress would work wonders for awakening Congress from its nightmare of greed and self-indulgence.

Peace.... save for the above needed applications of "change"

Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

Greetings and Felicitations,
. Perhaps it is time to kick it out and start over.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Kick "it" out....? Let us be clear, please. The government as a concept is quite benign. Nothing at all wrong with the government.... what is wrong are the people operating it, and specifically the bureaucrats and politicians.

We need to begin to systematically arrange accidents for politicians as a "lesson" to others in government service. And we need "tests" for and contracts signed by anyone running for office. And a quick and sudden death sentence for anyone in government who allows a penny to be spent that is not absolutely necessary without personally raising hell about the attempt to spend that penny.

In other words we need to instill an intense fear into those in government service that any misuse of their office will result in dire consequences. At a time of our choice and to their detriment. So that no politician ever feels secure or at peace in the work he or she is supposed to be doing.

Finally we must institute a limit of two terms for a congressperson and one term for a senator. And we should all hone up on impeachment and make use of it more often. Life is hard, and we have allowed the Congress to become soft and selfish and much to safe.

Peace

Originally Posted by docjp

Kick "it" out....? Let us be clear, please. The government as a concept is quite benign. Nothing at all wrong with the government.... what is wrong are the people operating it, and specifically the bureaucrats and politicians.

We need to begin to systematically arrange accidents for politicians as a "lesson" to others in government service. And we need "tests" for and contracts signed by anyone running for office. And a quick and sudden death sentence for anyone in government who allows a penny to be spent that is not absolutely necessary without personally raising hell about the attempt to spend that penny.

In other words we need to instill an intense fear into those in government service that any misuse of their office will result in dire consequences. At a time of our choice and to their detriment. So that no politician ever feels secure or at peace in the work he or she is supposed to be doing.

Finally we must institute a limit of two terms for a congressperson and one term for a senator. And we should all hone up on impeachment and make use of it more often. Life is hard, and we have allowed the Congress to become soft and selfish and much to safe.

Peace

you seem to be alluding to what was once said on the floor of the senate regarding the 2nd amendment

Originally Posted by docjp

We need to begin to systematically arrange accidents for politicians as a "lesson" to others in government service. And we need "tests" for and contracts signed by anyone running for office. And a quick and sudden death sentence for anyone in government who allows a penny to be spent that is not absolutely necessary without personally raising hell about the attempt to spend that penny.

In other words we need to instill an intense fear into those in government service that any misuse of their office will result in dire consequences. At a time of our choice and to their detriment. So that no politician ever feels secure or at peace in the work he or she is supposed to be doing.

This is probably what it's like to be a politician in Iraq. Live in constant fear of being killed, scare most people away from wanting to hold public office, etc.

Another way to send them a message would be to start voting them out... you know, through legal methods.

Peace

Whatever...