$4/day blows in Mexico. If it didn't, they wouldn't come. Understand?

Course, I always wish the Mexicans would stop taking jobs that MY kids would want. You know, picking peaches, cleaning hotel rooms, etc. I want my kids to advance.

I have gotten the message that you think breaking the law is perfectly OK. You are supporting this lawbreaking vehemently, stating that conditions are such, that since the law has been already broken, and it would be inconvenient to enforce the existing law that has been violated, it should just be ignored and we should move on.

However, every time I turn around the left is bringing up some SUPPOSED tiny illegal thing that they think that Bush has done, and want him impeached at the least, executed as a preference. As long as the left has this double standard, they will be the fringe in the general public's minds. Either you support the law or you don't.

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So do most Mexicans, regardless of whether they're entering the country legally or illegally. Hell, illegals work harder than most legal immigrants and damned near all citizens-- because they ain't got much choice in it.

They came here to work.

My problem is that they don't assimilate. They don't learn the language, they don't fly our flag, and they make absolutely no effort whatsoever to repatriate themselves as Americans.

I hate it as much as you do-- but that doesn't free us from our obligation to discuss the issue honestly.

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I agree. I stole it for my sig on PD

The root of this issue is the illegality. Are we a nation of laws or not? I really fail to understand the headlong rush to declare our laws optional. Is it just immigration laws or will it be all of them?

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Don't look at me. I am in favor of enforcing the law, and in the case of immigration law tightening it considerably. Illegal aliens should be tracked down, arrested, and deported-- and repeat offenders should lose the option of entering the country legally.

But I'm not going to sit here and allow someone to try to claim that they're "lazy" or that they're coming here for Welfare benefits. They come here to work, even if they're working illegally and not paying their taxes. They're not bad folk, and I think it's a crying shame that they aren't trying to become real Americans and that we're forced to send them back.

Save the "lazy" or "Welfare fraud" arguments for people they apply to-- like those goddamned Mormon fundies in Utah and Arizona, who are native-born citizens of these United States.

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They ARE damn near everywhere, aren't they? A free ride is hard to pass up.

As long as we realize that the fundamental issue is that they are ILLEGAL, we're on the same page.

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Like believing the world revolves around you, your assumptions are very incorrect.
I'm not for illegals at all, I'm for stopping the problem at the source, to stop HIRING them. You got people coming in droves to make more money in a week than they do in a day and you're bitching that their doing it by proclaiming their breaking the law, as if they give a shit about something as minor as that. Going to lock them up and feed them 3 times a day in a air conditioned cell? My my whatever will they do....that's your dumbshit solution?

Companies want them for those less than minimum wage jobs. Pass laws making business transactions with no taxes taken out illegal, fine companies doing it and pass the guest worker program if we want to benefit from those low wage jobs.

Comments?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/01/mcd....ap/index.html

Perfect example. Guy makes $50/day filling 125 buckets.

See the ramifications of illegals (story isn't about them but you get the point).
Tomato Sauce, Tomato Paste, everything that contains a tomatoes goes up, company's revenue is impacted with paying higher wages.

You either continue the lower cost at the retail level and keep them or higher cost and get rid of them. Can't have both.

Absolutely false! We CAN have both, and we can have both in a way that saves consumers/taxpayers EVEN MORE. The answer is found in the 13th Amendment:

We have lots of illegal immigrants in this country costing taxpayers billions who come because there is a demand for labor. We also have a large prison population that costs taxpayers billions of dollars.

Time to bring back the good old fashioned prison work details, bid out the labor to business and use the wages to offset prison costs.

It's a win-win, we reduce the demand for illegal immigrant laborers, we create a cost savings on both sides for the taxpayers (costs of the illegals and the cost of prisons) and we give convicts just what they need, experience with a hard days honest work.

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