The gentleman claims his projections are based on data from the Census Bureau. It's actually frightening..like real-time frightening. I'm interested in hearing opposition of tighter restrictions in immigration after veiwing this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...51411393887069

It does seem to be a bit rehearsed, but informative all the same.

I think a few things were dishonest. (1) Is that historic level of immigration for the US are much higher than he suggests. I've presented this on USPOL and I will find the data for you later. The immigration levels we have now are about EQUAL to what they were in the centuries he OMMITS. That would be before the disruption in immigration caused by World War One. (2) He only shows the top of the 300-400 million and so you see all this red and you're like WOW! However, if he had drawn his graph to scale so that the present US population of 300 million (green) were in the graph, the red region would be about some 1/3 the size it was on his graph.

Now he did have some solid arguments in his presentation about the environment, brain drain and wages for unskilled workers. I will give him that. I don't know how I feel about them though.



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Yeah, when he tries to hide the previous #s behind his brief explanation of their absence I got this sneaky suspicion. But if their is any truth to his claims, it's scary. And I'm sure he meant to be just that.

Well the present US population is 300 million, it's projected to rise to 400 million sometime in the 21st century. I've driven across the USA and there is a shitload of open land, so that's not really what I'm worried about.

I'd be more worried about if there is enough water supplies for more people. The thing with the population of Latin America climbing, well there's really nothing we can do about that. I'm not sure if there population is growing as fast as he says.

Great video, very interesting.
Deserves further study, especially to see what is missing/distorted whether purposely or not.

This video reminds me of the book "Freakonomics" - not that it was about immigration, it was not, but it opened my eyes to thinking differently about several things.

This video just did the same, whether his historical data is correct or not, the outcome of overpopulation (not people per miles, overpopulation is when the population is larger than the land/infrastructre can support adequetly) is not disputable. Such as the inevitable-catastrophic collapse of New York city...most of the citys underground sewage is very, very old and under many, many buildings.
Other, older cities will have the same problems in the future.

Then as WEB stated - water.

Thanks Gravid - great find!

The problem with most immigration stats from the 'good old days' is they don't adjust for those who leave; some 60% of Italian men went back to Italy after not finding work, or working enough to buy that small farm in Tuscany or Sicily. And also, as is obvious, death rates were much higher in those days and before, particularly in cities, and particularly among women and children. It's wrong to assume an 'all things are equal' deal when comparing America after the Great Society programs of the 1950's with 18th and 19th century,and pre-WW II America.

IF you think all that 'empty land' out there is viable, have a try at making a living on it. The Great Plains and deserts are empty for a very good reason ...

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Good to see ya WEB, it's been awhile...

Most of the land is... formidable...

Besides, it seems they all want to move into my neighborhood anyway. Apparently they are all living in the same house...

As I see it, the majority of illegal immigration goes to urban centers... This then put an enormous burden on the local economies and infrastructures... If they wanted to live in the desert, they wouldn't have jumped the border in the first place...

I don't think the majority of people we are dealing with are looking to homestead or to contribute to the local infrastructures. This might explain why the places they are leaving are so *ahem* F'd up...

Work harder, 11,000,000 illegal immigrants are depending on your tax dollar.

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Likewise, Frank. I noticed your return.

Well I don't think it makes sense for you to depict illegals as being some kind of free-riders. Obviously, they are doing the shit jobs, working hard and getting undercompensated for it. We benefit at their expense, as do businesses and corporations. So for us to give them something back (public education and medicare) is not unfair.

Well, let me make a long story short. We don't allow in poor unskilled labor like we used to. We only take the brightest and the best from other countries. We should allow in more poor and unskilled labor. Allow people the opportunity to come to the US. They would not be illegals if they were given a fair chance to become US citizens.

Obviously, we cannot allow in all immigrants who want to come. There wouldn't be much of a country left if we did. I don't know how many poor and unskilled laborers we let into here, but I believe it is ridiculously low. I've heard some say 5,000 unskilled Mexicans a year who are allowed to come. I may have also heard 50,000. So let's set a more reasonable number there. Perhaps 350,000 to just throw a number out there. Then this would justify a more get tough approach on illegals.


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