Thread: And you think the U.S. has a problem with immigration?

Originally Posted by Forplay

You liberals are all the same when you get stuck on a debate you run. If you don't want to answers questions then don't ask any.

I am not a liberal. I've been reading liberal rhetoric on here since I joined. So after 4 or so years on this forum I can quote their rhetoric chapter and verse. Now which wall will she bounce off of tomorrow night?

Originally Posted by John Drake

Jesus Christ, now the 700 Club is considered a legitimate source?

Next we'll have Beck and his chalkboard, right?

I can show you hundreds, no thousands of "no go" zones right here in America. Most are black or Latino, though I've heard of Irish in NYC and Cuban in Miami.

You didn't go into Five Points in NYC in the 1840's or Cheapside in London around 1885, not if you had money and common sense. Gangs and gang crime are problems all over the world, they come from areas where the people are poor and feel a lack of opportunity, often because the rest of the population is prejudiced against them.

I actually watched this video directly in French. I didn't think many people would understand it, and I found this translation in English.

No, the 700 club is not my favorite. . . by far. The video is, however, not from the 700 club, but from a French site.

And, yes, I am aware that there are areas of segregation in the U.S. with gangs and crime. And I am certainly not agains all Muslims or afraid that they will commit acts of terrorisms. I am more concerned about the cultural invasion due to the lack of willingness to assimilate in a MUCH smaller country than in the U.S.

If this can happen in France, it certainly can happen the U.S.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

I am not a liberal. I've been reading liberal rhetoric on here since I joined. So after 4 or so years on this forum I can quote their rhetoric chapter and verse. Now which wall will she bounce off of tomorrow night?

You could not prove it by me. You are a liberal and won't answer simple questions.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Stop being aggressive and antagonistic. Someone has lost her big girl panties.

How is it being "aggressive and antagonistic to point out that the source of the OP is a religious channel even further right than FOX and the "problem" in the video is one which has been part of the modern world for centuries?

The vast majority of Arabs I know over here came to this country to ESCAPE the repressiveness of their homeland, not bring it with them. They're only muslim in that they don't go to Mosque on Friday instead of skipping Church on Sunday.

Originally Posted by John Drake

How is it being "aggressive and antagonistic to point out that the source of the OP is a religious channel even further right than FOX and the "problem" in the video is one which has been part of the modern world for centuries?

The vast majority of Arabs I know over here came to this country to ESCAPE the repressiveness of their homeland, not bring it with them. They're only muslim in that they don't go to Mosque on Friday instead of skipping Church on Sunday.

Well gee, how is it being 'aggressive and antagonistic' to bring up the usual talking points, but I got called 'aggressive and antagonistic' and I was called a troll as well, but that one is gone.

What can I say. Some people are just islamophobes!~

Originally Posted by Sadanie

The issue here is not religion. The French people are very open about allowing any religion. The issue is assimilation, or rather the refusal of the Muslim immigrants to assimilate in the French culture, their desire to live totally segregated from the French and therefore their "taking over" huge areas where French nationals are refused access. . .in their own country. !

It's the legal immigrants country too isn't it? Are 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims any less of a French citizen?

Originally Posted by Sunshine

These people have not assimilated in the US:




Neither have these:





Why would a few mulsims strike fear into your heart? After all, it WAS you who wanted someone (other than you) to 'educate' them.

I've never heard of any of these people strapping bombs on themselves or their children or flying fully loaded airplanes in big buildings.

I don't see how you can compare the two.

Kramer

Originally Posted by Forplay

That's right they have not, but the huge difference is they don't rely on the rest of the country for jobs, or electricity, or phone, etc. They are not a burden on our society on any way. Nor to do they go out and solicit you to change your way of life or believe in any of their views.

Just a note: they are hardly pure, though. Much like illegal immigrants being a source of cheap labour, they are also getting into hot water around my area for using their exemptions against other workers, e.g.,

A culture clash in roofing
Main Line contractors, losing jobs to the Amish, cry foul. The Amish say they work harder.
November 29, 2010|By Harold Brubaker, Inquirer Staff Writer

Beiler Bros., an Amish roofing company, has been installing a new roof on…
Main Line roofers say they are taking it on the chin from Amish competitors, who are getting a significant amount of work in Philadelphia's wealthy western suburbs.

Keith McLean, a Paoli roofing contractor, said he lost a job this month when his bid of $8,000 was $3,000 more than the winning Amish bid.

The 38 percent difference in price, McLean said, rendered him unable to compete. "My wiggle room is hundreds of dollars. I don't have three grand" to play with, said McLean, who owns Hancock Building Associates Inc.

McLean and other non-Amish contractors say the Amish, who come from Lancaster County and western Chester County, have an advantage because they do not have to pay Social Security taxes for themselves or their Amish employees and are eligible for a religious exemption from workers' compensation insurance, although not all take advantage of the latter.

"If they are going to come into our community, they need to conduct their business the same way we do," said McLean, who has been in business for 20 years.

Amish contractors said their biggest advantage is that they work harder and faster, and are used to Lancaster County's lower prices and wages. "From what they [non-Amish contractors] charge down there, they make a killing," said John F. Stoltzfus, who owns Countryside Roofing & Exteriors, of Strasburg, Pa.

Amish contractors have been working in Philadelphia's suburbs for many years, but when the economy was booming, high-end contractors on the Main Line and in Chester County were not as bothered by the competitive pinch.

Now, with all contractors needing to look farther afield for work, local builders are up in arms over what they call unfair competition from the Plain People, who the local contractors say not only undercut them but go back home without spending money here.

"It's a form of outsourcing," said Steven Kraegel, who owns CedarTek L.L.C., a Paoli roofing company, and was one of six non-Amish contractors interviewed.

Of course, outsourcing for cheaper prices often leaves more money in customers' pockets, making it hard to calculate a net gain or loss.

In broad terms, the key force in this conflict is the transformation of the Amish economy from one centered on farming, as recently as the mid-1970s, to one that is more diversified.

"About 40 percent of Amish households receive their primary income from farming, the rest from businesses," said Donald B. Kraybill, an Amish expert at Elizabethtown College.

A culture clash in roofing - Philly.com

Originally Posted by kramer

I've never heard of any of these people strapping bombs on themselves or their children or flying fully loaded airplanes in big buildings.

I don't see how you can compare the two.

Kramer

Hark! Is that islamaphobia rearing its ugly head?

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

It's the legal immigrants country too isn't it? Are 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims any less of a French citizen?

Although some Muslims have lived in France since the beginning of the century (the first mosque was built in Paris in 1922), that generation of Muslims and their descendants have mostly assimilated in the French culture, while mosty keeping their religion.

The problem resides on the large influx of Muslims immigrants in the late 1970 (mostly men at that time, who later brought in their families and extended families) and, more recently in the 1990's.
So, most Muslims who reject assimilations are first and second generation immigrants.

Their number is overwhelming (there are approximately as many Muslims immigrants in France than in the whole of the U.S.. While ther are a total of 1209 mosques in the U.S., there are over 2500 mosque in France).