Thread: Umm DNC chairman think ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is not a CRIME??

Originally Posted by Guardiands

If doing the paperwork really would let you come into this country, and it used to, then you wouldn't have illegal immigration. The real problem is putting up so many roadblocks that stop so many people from sharing the American dream. Make immigration easy, like it was for all of our ancestors, and you will see a drastic reduction in illegal immigration.

But justice seems to be the furthest from the minds of a large segment of the country. Rather than extending to others the same right that was extended to our ancestors, they would rather make it impossible, so they can categorize those following the same dream as "illegal" and take the topic away from immigration to "lawlessness."

Ask yourself, with millions of immigrants coming over, who gains by attaching this "illegal" status, instead of extending the same right that allowed us to be Americans?

Exactly right, we need them for the economy to function, so why not let them fill out the paper work, and let them in. Then they'd have to pay taxes, they'd report the abuses of their employers, they'd have to be paid at least minimum wage.
It works out better for everyone, except the guy who is abusing illegal aliens now, making 'em work in substandard conditions for less than minimum wage, and that is the scumbag that is taking the jobs away from companies that hire Americans, and pay them properly and follow the law on safety.

Originally Posted by Forplay

If the border was closed, there is no one to hire. Pretty simple to me.

Go after the companies hiring illegals, that's about anybody and everybody. Nannies, housekeepers, elderly care, motels, hotels, mom pop restaurants, commercial fishing, gardeners, landscapers, carpenters, laborers, etc etc etc. Illegals are in every fabric of our working society, and your going to knock on every door and make sure their are not any illegals in the house. Yeah right. You can't even ask a person if he has papers, and your going to knock on every door in this country. I don't think so.

It is impossible to "close" a 2000 mile border in a free country as long as the preople who get through are then rewarded with jobs. If the laws are given teeth and enforced against corporations who do most of the hiring it will address most of the problem. If not - if your theory that mom and pop america does all the hiring then clearly there is not enough support in this country to follow any course of action at all against illegal immigration and we might as well drop the whole charade.

The cynical politicians who talk about closing the border while refusing to hurt their friends who hire the illegals are exploiting the bigotry and xenophobia of a small sector of the electorate in order to get themselves re-elected. They have no interest in actually addressing a problem that guarantees them all those votes.

Originally Posted by goober

Exactly right, we need them for the economy to function, so why not let them fill out the paper work, and let them in. Then they'd have to pay taxes, they'd report the abuses of their employers, they'd have to be paid at least minimum wage.
It works out better for everyone, except the guy who is abusing illegal aliens now, making 'em work in substandard conditions for less than minimum wage, and that is the scumbag that is taking the jobs away from companies that hire Americans, and pay them properly and follow the law on safety.

Why not make them respect out immigration law and get in line with all the other people that have applied for legal immigration? Are they fucking special or something?
Why does our economy need them? Oh, the need for a new underclass.........I see. No need to worry with employment laws or fair housing, etc.
Meester boss man, why you no pay me obertyme dinero?
Fuck off, Jose........you're lucky I hired you, now get back to work.

Originally Posted by Forplay

If the border was closed, there is no one to hire. Pretty simple to me.

Go after the companies hiring illegals, that's about anybody and everybody. Nannies, housekeepers, elderly care, motels, hotels, mom pop restaurants, commercial fishing, gardeners, landscapers, carpenters, laborers, etc etc etc. Illegals are in every fabric of our working society, and your going to knock on every door and make sure their are not any illegals in the house. Yeah right. You can't even ask a person if he has papers, and your going to knock on every door in this country. I don't think so.

I've been saying this for years. Make it a felony and take away their business license. That would be the end of that.

Originally Posted by GodGuns&Guts

No brainer here folk's. The crime is when the illegals cross the border without paper's. If an American went into Mexico without paper's they would be thrown in prison stet and possibly killed by drug dealer's.

Correct. Entry without inspection is a crime, a federal misdemeanor in most cases. Mexico formally takes a hard approach to it. However, it's also common for illegal migrants to just get robbed or otherwise abused by border agents and other law enforcement in Mexico, never mind other people.

Originally Posted by GodGuns&Guts

Why dont Canadians get arrested they obviously have more respect for law up there becase they are such a nanny state and dont want to give up their government benefit's. They do whatever Toronto tells them to do and Toronto just keep's sending them check's. Nice work if you can get it.

Whilst hard to estimate precisely, there are at least 70,000 Canadians living unlawfully in the US by informed estimations. I'd also be careful about breaking Canada's balls like that given the US is in a weaker position to scoff. The unemployment rate in Canada was 7.2 percent in July 2011. In short, they work and have more employed by percent than the US does. As for welfare and assuming you are referring to those 'drawing the dole', the US easily outdoes Canada on teenage motherhood and welfare spending,

People on welfare are usually black, teenage mothers who stay on ten years at a time
Government Spending Details: Federal State Local for 2011 - Charts
Welfare in Canada - Canadian Social Research Links

Talking smack from a worse position is an invitation for a reversal and pin in the smack game.

Originally Posted by God,Guns&Guts

But the thing about illegals is that they come mostly from south of the border where they dont get those fat check's. Life is tough but the American dream is one that has to be worked for. You start by doing you're paperwork before you cross the damn border amigo's.

Except they can't ordinarily get them. It's not accidental why so many are here due to lax enforcement with little legal recourse to enter or remain...they work cheaper--and often better in many cases depending on the Mexican and American at issue--than Americans.

Originally Posted by God,Guns&Guts

The path to citizenship is trust but the illegal's have forsaken that trust the minute the cross the border without paper's.

I'd say that's true if the game was level. But it's not. The US helped severely gut the Mexican agricultural and small business avenues down there with NAFTA and other practices...even getting tax cuts and benefits as a double benefit in the process of getting cheap labour, etc. They did that at average Americans' expense as well as theirs. They doubled down once again on both average Americans and Mexicans, etc, affected by creating the shady practices that created the mass illegal worker subclass here that provides cheap labour without paying taxes and benefits, etc.

I'm all for going after illegal immigrants ordinarily on a level playing field and a solid border with low to no tolerance of further illegal entry or residency being part of a comprehensive solution, but insofar as the current games being played, I think you're misidentifying the 'bad guy' (general criminals, spongers and other maladjusted individual excepted). If anything, the two groups who have gotten a royal screwing ought to combine together to get some measure of justice and rectification of these abuses that put each in these situations.

Originally Posted by Steve

What people "consider" doesn't matter. Some people, at their wits' end to feed their families, might not consider bank robbery a crime.

It doesn't matter what you think should be a crime...



I don't want illegal scumbag aliens put in prison. I want them deported...

It does matter what we think is or is not a crime.

If enough think it not a crime it becomes un-enforcible and ignored.

Prohibition for instance !

There is something wrong with our national concepts when we refer to a person trying to provide life for his family a SCUMBAG FOR VIOLATING a MISDEMEANOR LAW.

Bread cast on the water for (good or evil) returns a thousand fold !

Originally Posted by skeptic1

It does matter what we think is or is not a crime.

If enough think it not a crime it becomes un-enforcible and ignored.

Prohibition for instance !

There is something wrong with our national concepts when we refer to a person trying to provide life for his family a SCUMBAG FOR VIOLATING a MISDEMEANOR LAW.

Bread cast on the water for (good or evil) returns a thousand fold !

I am all for someone trying to provide for their family but if we can just ignore laws that don't suit us, where does this lead us as a society?