Thread: Bloomberg says immigration laws suicide

Originally Posted by soot

He wants to reform immigration policy so that the best and brightest can come here and build businesses in a place where the laws, investors, educated workforce, and social institutions will allow those businesses to thrive.

Interesting post, soot. The article seems to agree with what you're saying here.

Bloomberg’s speech comes as the Partnership for a New American Economy, of which he is a co-chair, releases a report looking at the role that immigrants play at Fortune 500 companies and the potential. Forty percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants, the report notes. Together, the companies employ more than 10 million people worldwide and generate annual revenue of $4.2 trillion.

(I wonder if anyone else actually read the article.)

Originally Posted by skeptic1

Like lambs to the slaughter steadfastly believing our economy falters because of illegal immigration we march glued to this concept with anger focused in the wrong direction.

Read the reports indicated below and see if your steps are misguided.

ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy‎
San Diego News Room - michele nash-hoff - 1 day ago
The US trade deficit in manufactured products tallied nearly $4.5 trillion from 2000 to 2010, and in seven of those ten years, the US manufactured products' ...


ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy

Have we simply been sold out from within ?

It's very easy to get caught up in partisan rhetoric but where people come from or how they actually immigrate here are far less important than the assets they bring with them.

Illegal immigration has been particularly devastating for the United States because those hopping the US/Mexican border are the poorest and least educated in Central and South America. The operative words aren't immigrant or even illegal but rather poor and uneducated.

My problem with Partnership for a New American Economy is they completely ignore this. They hold up Google founder Sergey Brin as the poster boy for success by an immigrant but ignore that his father is a mathematics professor at a major U.S. university while his mother a rocket scientist for NASA. Odds of success are extremely high for anyone of that pedigree but NAE makes it seem like any child of a couple who hop the border hold the same potential and they really don't.

It's largely for this reason why I support investing in our public school system. We have an inherent interest in ensuring our children have a very good education even if I'm generally against public programs when there are private options available.

Originally Posted by soot

I agree with everything you've said but I don't understand the last, if you could explain it.

Also, and not necessarially in response to what you said but because of it...

I think the concept of "best and brightest" is an important one.

I think that we should attract the worlds best and brightest through targeted immigration policies and add them to our best and brightest.

But then they need to be treated like the best and brightest once their here in a meritocratic fashion and natural born Americans who aren't among the best and brightest need to take the back seat on the bus, figuratively speaking.

A big part of the problem with our economy is that folks who aren't among the best and brightest like to think they are and live accordingly, or at least aspire accordingly.

Americans need to come to grips with the fact that no everyone deserves all the best shit in life. They're going to have to come to accept that if they want "good" jobs to come back to America they'll have to pair that with an acceptance of a "good enough" lifestyle, not a "great" lifestyle or the "best" lifestyle.

Both Mayor Bloomberg and NAE are more focused on the status of immigration than the real conditions of it. There is a huge difference between Sergey Brin, who emigrated with one parent who would become a U.S. college professor and another who would become a NASA rocket scientist, and your average penniless boarder hopper who doesn't have as much as a high school education.

The NAE essentially calls for amnesty for illegal immigrants by using Brin and, as jefe pointed out, the percentage of Fortune 500 companies who were founded by immigrants or children of their immigrants but your average boarder crosser really doesn't possess the pedigree of their examples.

Typically speaking recently established Fortune 500 companies, like Google, were founded by people like Brin while older companies whose founders might bear a little more resemblance to today's penniless and uneducated illegal immigrants were founded in a time where being penniless and uneducated really wasn't the drawback it is today. We're no longer a developing country and taking the world's worst and dimmest isn't a particularly sound economic plan no matter how non-PC it is.

Originally Posted by DL-44

Both Mayor Bloomberg and NAE are more focused on the status of immigration than the real conditions of it. There is a huge difference between Sergey Brin, who emigrated with one parent who would become a U.S. college professor and another who would become a NASA rocket scientist, and your average penniless boarder hopper who doesn't have as much as a high school education.

The NAE essentially calls for amnesty for illegal immigrants by using Brin and, as jefe pointed out, the percentage of Fortune 500 companies who were founded by immigrants or children of their immigrants but your average boarder crosser really doesn't possess the pedigree of their examples.

Typically speaking recently established Fortune 500 companies, like Google, were founded by people like Brin while older companies whose founders might bear a little more resemblance to today's penniless and uneducated illegal immigrants were founded in a time where being penniless and uneducated really wasn't the drawback it is today. We're no longer a developing country and taking the world's worst and dimmest isn't a particularly sound economic plan no matter how non-PC it is.

Actually our movement of our production off shore shows the intelligence not the stupidity of the captains of industry. It gives such firms the opportunity to better compete in the world markets using cheaper labor. Unfortunately moves of this nature can melt the glue that binds us together as a nation and lead to the chaos we are now seeing internationally.

IMO Service can not compete with Manufacturing in producing profit and creating jobs

We as the report I submitted indicates ; over the last 10 years have run a deficit of over 5 Trillion in international trade. How many manufacturing jobs would that represent ?

Some report China's real need of outside trade represents only 10%. of their production. Seems incredible but that's what the report said.


we need a better balance.

Read the report !

Originally Posted by DL-44

Sure but we also need to keep the worst and dimmest out.

Why? They would certainly fit in well with the majority people already here.

ahoy mateys,

all the anger on this thread proves that 'sides Soot, thar be no libertarians here on USPO, as the libertarian's view on immigration essentially dovetails with Mr. Bloomberg's mindset.

Low-skilled immigrants cross the Mexican border illegally or overstay their visas for a simple reason: There are jobs waiting here for them to fill, especially in Texas and other, faster growing states. Each year our economy creates hundreds of thousands of net new jobs — in such sectors as retail, cleaning, food preparation, construction and tourism — that require only short-term, on-the-job training.

At the same time, the supply of Americans who have traditionally filled many of those jobs — those without a high school diploma — continues to shrink. Their numbers have declined by 4.6 million in the past decade, as the typical American worker becomes older and better educated.

Yet our system offers no legal channel for anywhere near a sufficient number of peaceful, hardworking immigrants to legally enter the United States even temporarily to fill this growing gap. The predictable result is illegal immigration.

In response, we can spend billions more to beef up border patrols. We can erect hundreds of miles of ugly fence slicing through private property along the Rio Grande. We can raid more discount stores and chicken-processing plants from coast to coast. We can require all Americans to carry a national ID card and seek approval from a government computer before starting a new job.

Or we can change our immigration law to more closely conform to how millions of normal people actually live.

Immigration | Libertarian Party

whar the heck be Jviehe now that thar be an issue that we finally agree on?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Both Texas and California have the highest number of immigrants, and presumably the highest number of illegal immigrants residing in their states. About 1/3rd of their populations are hispanic.

Texas has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. California has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.

Thus, immigration based upon those 2 examples doesn't correlate with either a worse jobs picture or a better jobs picture. However, most industries benefit with population growth, and the USA mainly grows through immigration and not births anymore.

I sure would like to see some valid support for that comment.

Originally Posted by JustDee

Why? They would certainly fit in well with the majority people already here.

If they fit in well they wouldn't be living 10 to a room and standing in Home Depot parking lots hoping to find work digging holes. We have our own "bottom of the barrel" to deal with. I know it's not politically correct to say but the United States doesn't exist to support the world. If you do feel deeply passionate about global poverty, etc. you're free to donate your paycheck every week.

We should be looking to entice business, professionals, and talented individuals from around the world to move here instead of shutting them out and making this country a haven for the dregs of society.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

From - Bloomberg: U.S. immigration policy is 'national suicide' - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

I've heard a lot of arguments for making it easier to get citizenship, but this is a new one -

So a way to fix record unemployment is to bring in more people looking for jobs. That's right up there with taxes as a remedy. Who votes for these clowns?

It depends on the implementation. In my opinion, periodic amnesties is not a permanent solution to our problem. A market friendly work visa could generate revenue in the most fiscally responsible of fashions, and subsidize the least efficient of US labor to not provide labor input to the economy while going to school or retraining to become more competitive in our modern and global economy. It would also solve our illegal immigration problem on a permanent basis through Commerce that is well regulated among the several States.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

Like lambs to the slaughter steadfastly believing our economy falters because of illegal immigration we march glued to this concept with anger focused in the wrong direction.

Read the reports indicated below and see if your steps are misguided.

ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy‎
San Diego News Room - michele nash-hoff - 1 day ago
The US trade deficit in manufactured products tallied nearly $4.5 trillion from 2000 to 2010, and in seven of those ten years, the US manufactured products' ...


ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy

Have we simply been sold out from within ?

The leading nations should equalize the cost of labor by jointly applying a Tariff to imports based on average wage paid their workers compared to the calculated norm.Low wage countries will face a high (punitive) tariff with those close or or at the norm paying none. Off shoring ones production will not provide any advantage !