Thread: Bloomberg says immigration laws suicide

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

The facts are that 37% of the country consider themselves as centrists, 57% consider themselves either centrists or right of center, and 43% consider themselves centrists or left or center.

As it appears an irrelevant digression is occurring, in the interest of keeping on-topic with respect to the OP, I have posted a response to your statement in a more appropriate thread: Centrists To The Rescue!.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Phoenix,

would ye consider Forplay a centrist? he seems to be in full agreement with ye, matey.

if so, that would make 3 'o us here on USPO who be representative 'o 80% 'o the population.
- MeadHallPirate

I don't think so your as far left a liberal as it gets.

Originally Posted by Forplay

I don't think so your as far left a liberal as it gets.

Aye, the Pirate's no centrist, that's for sure, as his peg-leg nature tilts his Evil Global Empire sailin' booty heavily to port or starboard depending on which way .. the money's a blowin' in his sails!

Yaaarrrrr!

Buccaneer BA may sail in liberal Multi-Cultural-Internationalist waters, but to his own wage-slavin' crew of illegals he pays peanuts, like a good conservative Corporate Global Expansionist.

The Evil Global Empire is home to all kinds a' riff raff like Bloomberg and BA the Pirate .. none a' whom carry the good moral and ethical compass that points at a true centrist American heart.

Aye, that's for sure, matey.

Come the rebellion .. there will be some keel-haulin' and plank walkin' .. yaaarrrr.

Why are persons of alleged conservatism more interested in increasing our tax burden with wars on abstractions during times of lowering taxes if raising taxes during times of wars on abstractions is not a good enough excuse to provide for the general welfare and common defense of the United States.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

“Immigration reform would be an economic engine for the entire country — creating good-paying jobs that will speed up our recovery,” says the mayor, an independent. “Both major political parties and both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue say that restoring economic growth is their top priority. And it must be.”

How would adding 12 to 30 million new workers with few skills to the existing pool of 20 million unemployed workers be an "economic engine" that would create "good-paying jobs?"

I don't see it.

If reform were to happen, what I see is democrats cementing elections for decades and with this, massive stimulus after stimulus in order to jump start a gutted economy. We've been shipping millions of jobs overseas for decades and the last 10 years we shipped millions to China and India. You can't jump start a car if parts of it's engine are missing and I don't see this economy being jumpstarted given that we've moved a large part of it (about 30% of our manufacturing over the last 10 years) overseas.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

Who votes for these clowns?

Useful idiots, also know as democrats.

Kramer

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Why are persons of alleged conservatism more interested in increasing our tax burden with wars on abstractions during times of lowering taxes if raising taxes during times of wars on abstractions is not a good enough excuse to provide for the general welfare and common defense of the United States.

Probably because they aren't conservatives, they are neo-cons, liberals who switched to being Republicans.

Put another way, what party is more interested in global affairs? Democrats. They are also sometimes known as internationalists.

Kramer

Originally Posted by kramer

How would adding 12 to 30 million new workers with few skills

Excellent point .. about the "12 to 30" million illegals in the U.S.

I've read conservative sites that say that number is around 30 million.

I've read liberal sites that say it's less than 12 million.

The census, which we all know is wrong, is thus liberal in presentation -- illegals don't usually answer the census taker's knock.

The good rule of thumb on the matter is to take the census bureau's wild-ass-guess and double it: around 20 million.

It is most accurately safe to say that there are 20 million illegals in America, about a third of whom are presently in stolen possession of Americans' jobs.

Another million or two of them, presently not working and who want to, are actively trying to steal jobs from Americans at this very moment.

The rest are family members, too young to work, or choosing not to work.

Originally Posted by kramer

to the existing pool of 20 million unemployed workers

The May 2011 report from the U.S. government Bureau of Labor and Statistics (thread elsewhere on this site) placed the "official" number of unemployed in America at around 15 million and the "unofficial" (discouraged workers) number of unemployed in American around 11 million .. for a total unemployed count of around 26 million, if I recall correctly.

Add that 26 million to the roughly 27 million the BLS reported who are woefully under-employed part-time ..

.. And that's 53 million under-incomed Americans ..

.. Add their family members (multiply 53 million by an average of 2.5), and that's nearly 133 million Americans greatly suffering in the recession ..

.. Nearly 43 percent of America!

Originally Posted by kramer

be an "economic engine" that would create "good-paying jobs?"

Yes, given the reality of the true un- and under- employment rate numbers in America today, that is indeed a very good question!

Originally Posted by kramer

I don't see it.

That's because it isn't there.

Oh, if only everyone was as 20-20 honest as you, then maybe we'd take appropriate action in the matter.

Bloomberg's amnesty will only serve to put the liberal Democrats in power for a very, very long time at the hands of "grateful" illegals who, once amnesty gives them citizenship, will beholdingly vote for their "saviors" the liberal Democrats!

That's the only semi-rational-thinking reason motivating Bloomberg's statements.

And, of course, he could also simply be a multi-cultural-internationalist, who cares more about people of other countries-cultures than Americans, and is thus idealistically bent upon solving other countries' unemployment problems by, among other off-shoring means as well, importing wage-slave poverty wage-scales into America .. eventually reducing all American workers to the status of wage-slaves.

Originally Posted by kramer

If reform were to happen, what I see is democrats cementing elections for decades and with this, massive stimulus after stimulus in order to jump start a gutted economy. We've been shipping millions of jobs overseas for decades and the last 10 years we shipped millions to China and India. You can't jump start a car if parts of it's engine are missing and I don't see this economy being jumpstarted given that we've moved a large part of it (about 30% of our manufacturing over the last 10 years) overseas.

Yes, absolutely true.

It's so obvious, so easy to see.

Yet so many people in power, motivated by extremist agendas, behave as if there is no elephant in the room, as they try to pull the wool over voters' eyes.

We must continue to present the truth of the matter for all to read.

We can never allow ourselves to be blinded by appeal to dysfunctional extremist authority.

Originally Posted by kramer

How would adding 12 to 30 million new workers with few skills to the existing pool of 20 million unemployed workers be an "economic engine" that would create "good-paying jobs?"

I don't see it.

If reform were to happen, what I see is democrats cementing elections for decades and with this, massive stimulus after stimulus in order to jump start a gutted economy. We've been shipping millions of jobs overseas for decades and the last 10 years we shipped millions to China and India. You can't jump start a car if parts of it's engine are missing and I don't see this economy being jumpstarted given that we've moved a large part of it (about 30% of our manufacturing over the last 10 years) overseas.

A market friendly work visa could be "capturing" revenue that is currently not being generated by public sector means of production via Commerce. Twenty to thirty million persons paying a simple fee for a work visa could help defray the cost of government and help subsidize less efficient US labor to pursue other opportunity costs than directly competing with foreign labor. A more efficient labor force should be able to compete favorably with foreign labor.