Thread: Bloomberg says immigration laws suicide

From - Bloomberg: U.S. immigration policy is 'national suicide' - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

I've heard a lot of arguments for making it easier to get citizenship, but this is a new one -

“Immigration reform would be an economic engine for the entire country — creating good-paying jobs that will speed up our recovery,” says the mayor, an independent. “Both major political parties and both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue say that restoring economic growth is their top priority. And it must be.”

So a way to fix record unemployment is to bring in more people looking for jobs. That's right up there with taxes as a remedy. Who votes for these clowns?

The seeming goal is to drive labor costs down significantly so it becomes wise to manufacture in America again. Otherwise why add more labor capacity?

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

The seeming goal is to drive labor costs down significantly so it becomes wise to manufacture in America again. Otherwise why add more labor capacity?

To drive the labor costs down, you'll have to pay less/hour so it wouldn't matter if you were manufacturing in the US or Bumfuck, Egypt, people won't be able to afford it with a salary cut. I agree with Charles...who votes these clowns in?

Yeah, lets import a bunch of people with no allegiance to this country beyond what they can take from us.

Thats not national suicide.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

From - Bloomberg: U.S. immigration policy is 'national suicide' - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

I've heard a lot of arguments for making it easier to get citizenship, but this is a new one -


So a way to fix record unemployment is to bring in more people looking for jobs. That's right up there with taxes as a remedy. Who votes for these clowns?

Both Texas and California have the highest number of immigrants, and presumably the highest number of illegal immigrants residing in their states. About 1/3rd of their populations are hispanic.

Texas has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. California has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.

Thus, immigration based upon those 2 examples doesn't correlate with either a worse jobs picture or a better jobs picture. However, most industries benefit with population growth, and the USA mainly grows through immigration and not births anymore.

Y'all need to check out the Partnership for a New American Economy before rushing to judgement.

I've been a strong Bloomberg supporter for a number of years and this group has some really good and pragmatic ideas.

It's also composed of people who know what they're talking about, people who have actually built and run very successful businesses and mayors of some of America's biggest cities who deal with economic and immigration issues on a daily basis out of the spotlight and away from the bully pulpit.

If we're going to fix our economy these are the type of people who are going to have to be behind it, not the lawyers, acedemics, and career politicians who presently have a stranglehold on our government and make a living by being just divisive enough to keep partisan idiots at each others' throats.

Bloomberg doesn't want to relax immigration policies to allow every uneducated, impoverished, and oppressed denzien of the third world to flock to the United States and then "steal American jobs" via their willingness to live 12 to a room and work for peanuts.

He wants to reform immigration policy so that the best and brightest can come here and build businesses in a place where the laws, investors, educated workforce, and social institutions will allow those businesses to thrive.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

From - Bloomberg: U.S. immigration policy is 'national suicide' - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

I've heard a lot of arguments for making it easier to get citizenship, but this is a new one -


So a way to fix record unemployment is to bring in more people looking for jobs. That's right up there with taxes as a remedy. Who votes for these clowns?

Given the current economic model, adding millions of folks here will certainly help China and the American corporations who use Communist labor because it is so damn cheap.

That have been times in our history when our economy did real well without many exports because we were developing a larger domestic market for our american made goods. Those times no longer exist, as most of our homes are filled with goods made in China.

The sane model is to have a huge domestic market for american made goods, with exports being the icing on the cake. To have the largest consumer market in the world, yet not make what we consume is the most stupid thing we have ever done, period. When you stop doing this, so that some corporations can get richer, you end up with the mess you see today, brought to light by the financial fiasco, but which would have raised its head later on anyways, once the housing bubble burst.

IN short, we don't need millions more here to buy Chinese, or to invest in China. It will simply strain the already strained safety nets.

Originally Posted by soot

Y'all need to check out the Partnership for a New American Economy before rushing to judgement.

I've been a strong Bloomberg supporter for a number of years and this group has some really good and pragmatic ideas.

It's also composed of people who know what they're talking about, people who have actually built and run very successful businesses and mayors of some of America's biggest cities who deal with economic and immigration issues on a daily basis out of the spotlight and away from the bully pulpit.

If we're going to fix our economy these are the type of people who are going to have to be behind it, not the lawyers, acedemics, and career politicians who presently have a stranglehold on our government and make a living by being just divisive enough to keep partisan idiots at each others' throats.

Bloomberg doesn't want to relax immigration policies to allow every uneducated, impoverished, and oppressed denzien of the third world to flock to the United States and then "steal American jobs" via their willingness to live 12 to a room and work for peanuts.

He wants to reform immigration policy so that the best and brightest can come here and build businesses in a place where the laws, investors, educated workforce, and social institutions will allow those businesses to thrive.

Sure but we also need to keep the worst and dimmest out.

I think we should be limiting immigration to the best and brightest, specifically those who can immediately contribute to the United States, but a lot of New American Economy's arguments are really irrelevant in the year 2011.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Given the current economic model, adding millions of folks here will certainly help China and the American corporations who use Communist labor because it is so damn cheap.

That have been times in our history when our economy did real well without many exports because we were developing a larger domestic market for our american made goods. Those times no longer exist, as most of our homes are filled with goods made in China.

The sane model is to have a huge domestic market for american made goods, with exports being the icing on the cake. To have the largest consumer market in the world, yet not make what we consume is the most stupid thing we have ever done, period. When you stop doing this, so that some corporations can get richer, you end up with the mess you see today, brought to light by the financial fiasco, but which would have raised its head later on anyways, once the housing bubble burst.

IN short, we don't need millions more here to buy Chinese, or to invest in China. It will simply strain the already strained safety nets.

Like lambs to the slaughter steadfastly believing our economy falters because of illegal immigration we march glued to this concept with anger focused in the wrong direction.

Read the reports indicated below and see if your steps are misguided.

ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy‎
San Diego News Room - michele nash-hoff - 1 day ago
The US trade deficit in manufactured products tallied nearly $4.5 trillion from 2000 to 2010, and in seven of those ten years, the US manufactured products' ...


ITIF Makes a Strong Case for National Manufacturing Strategy

Have we simply been sold out from within ?

Originally Posted by DL-44

Sure but we also need to keep the worst and dimmest out.

I think we should be limiting immigration to the best and brightest, specifically those who can immediately contribute to the United States, but a lot of New American Economy's arguments are really irrelevant in the year 2011.

I agree with everything you've said but I don't understand the last, if you could explain it.

Also, and not necessarially in response to what you said but because of it...

I think the concept of "best and brightest" is an important one.

I think that we should attract the worlds best and brightest through targeted immigration policies and add them to our best and brightest.

But then they need to be treated like the best and brightest once their here in a meritocratic fashion and natural born Americans who aren't among the best and brightest need to take the back seat on the bus, figuratively speaking.

A big part of the problem with our economy is that folks who aren't among the best and brightest like to think they are and live accordingly, or at least aspire accordingly.

Americans need to come to grips with the fact that no everyone deserves all the best shit in life. They're going to have to come to accept that if they want "good" jobs to come back to America they'll have to pair that with an acceptance of a "good enough" lifestyle, not a "great" lifestyle or the "best" lifestyle.