Thread: Genocide in The Middle East:The Palestinian Holocaust

Psychiatrist found that the children who were abused and beaten by their parents have much more chance to treat their children in the same way then those who did not experience such experience.
What about those who claim to be victims of past genocide, should they repeat the same things to others, is that progress or decline of those who consider themselves as civilised people. What does it have to do Palestinians with Germans? Should Jews sort out their unresolved issues with Germans or with Palestinians?
The definition of the culture of civilised people lies in the question :
How we can protect other from our own imperfection when we are ( feel that we are ) powerful ?




Genocide in The Middle East:
The Palestinian Holocaust
By Antoinette Mullins

(All Pictures Are taken from http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine52.html)




Massacre, Genocide, Holocaust - these are words that we hope to never mention. However, they are vividly present in our history. Native American killing sprees in American history are a clear example of a series of massacres. The Tutsis genocide in Rwanda is a dark memory of the early 1990's. The infamous Jewish holocaust in Europe is forever etched in our minds.

Today, history has managed to repeat itself. The overall situation in Israel, over land disputes between the Israelis and Palestinians, have caught the world's attention. However, the sub-issue of humanitarian rights violations of Palestinians has not gained as much publicity worldwide. As a result, several signals and comparisons to other dark times in world history can conclude that Israel is now home to a modern day holocaust against Palestinians.

The first sign of a holocaust deals with actions that are justified on religious grounds. Israel, formerly known as Palestine, was chosen on the religious belief that Abraham, considered the father of Jewish people, had promised the area to his children in biblical times. They claimed their home of Israel, given by Abraham, was taken away from them during the imperialistic era of Rome.

Palestinians held that religion should not be brought into the debate. However, there is another biblical argument that Israel seemed to have completely disregarded. This argument stems from the story that the birth of the Palestinian nation occurred when Abraham fathered a child by a slave, who was later sent away by his wife. Therefore, Abraham is also the father to the nation of Palestinians, meaning that they too were promised Israel.

The power of religious beliefs proved itself to be extremely strong in 1947. During this year, the British withdrew it troops and the state of Israel was proclaimed. This is the key to the beginning of the complex conflict that is occurring today – the fact that Israel was recognized as a state and Palestine was not (as promised by the British).

Putting aside the issue of terrorism for a moment, the anger of extreme groups, such as Hamas and Jihad, is understandable. Their anger originates from the despair of lost battles (such as the Six-Day War), broken promises and oppressive Israeli leaders. It is this downward history that pushes the frustrations of Palestinians to a point where extreme groups take desperate measures in terrorism. As a result, Israel continues to be engaged in many security measures to prevent the bloodshed of innocent people. This, of course is very understandable. However, it is the kind of control Israel has enforced on Palestinians that greatly impairs their quality of life.

The numerous curfews are one of the main concerns in the harsh Israeli stronghold over Palestinians. The curfews themselves are extremely restraining, but nothing can compare to the way these curfews are enforced, categorizing them as human rights violations. In July of 2002, 600,000 Palestinians in the West Bank were confined to day curfews (Anderson). These curfews were so harsh that housewives could be killed for merely going outside and hanging up wet laundry (Anderson). These curfews do more than place more anger and fear in the hearts of Palestinians. They are also clear signs of another Holocaust.

The problem of curfews fall short of the theft of property Palestinians have witnessed. Israel has relentlessly taken Palestinian land during times of war and still does today. A fact even more disturbing is that Israel presently rules Palestinian land illegally due to Resolution 242 passed by the United Nations Security Council on November 26, 1967. Resolution 242 states that during wartime a country cannot claim the territory of another; they must return any captured land after the war. Needless to say, Israel still occupies Palestinian land.

The growth of Jewish settlements spells out another defeat in Palestinians eyes: "their land is disappearing the villagers say, and only the settlers have the army on their side," (Golden). As settlements grow, it is clear that this modern day Holocaust is different from past ones. This modern day Holocaust seeks to exterminate Palestinians by the gradual theft of their land, ultimately pushing them into refugee areas where nothing awaits them. This is a faith worse than outright mass murders. This is a slow death.

Palestinian restrictions are clearer through the many checkpoints Palestinians must go through to travel. These checkpoints have always caused immeasurable amounts of problems for Palestinians; they can be described as borders where Palestinians cannot pass without paperwork. The restrictions on travel prevents Palestinians from visiting families, getting proper health care and working regular jobs among other things. Such is the case of Awad Massar, a double-heart attack victim, and his wife, who went for treatment at a hospital out of their village and now cannot go home: "Every time the couple came to an Israeli checkpoint, he would show them his hospital records and plead to pass, but they would wave him away, forcing him back to the countryside," (Anderson). Massar and others like him are trapped where they stand.

Due to the rise of terrorism, it is more than understandable that the Israeli government takes such precautions. However, these checkpoints prevent growth and delete any chance for Palestinians to grow strong as a nation. The ruthlessness of the soldiers posted at these abundant checkpoints make it impossible for normal living standards to take place; it is difficult to even get food through and whole families are held at gun point while their cars are checked.
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This situation continues to worsen as the construction of a fence, separating the West Bank (Palestinian territory) from the rest of Israel, progresses. The new fence will run the entire length of the West Bank border making exceptions on Israeli settlements. The fence is merely a more confining way, other than checkpoints, that will even further prevent the development of a strong Palestinians nation. This plan is similar to so many injustices of the past. Most importantly, it is an eerie reminder of the many black and white pictures of people looking through wire fences in concentration camps during the Jewish Holocaust.

The last sign is the ultimate sign of any injustice, mass murders under the order of the government. Under Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, these massacres and single acts of unjust killings are symbols of his complete disregard for humanity. The United Nations have recognized these human injustices, on April 15, 2002 they "demanded the end of 'acts of mass killings perpetrated by the Israelis occupying authorities,'" (Hoffman). These demands arise from the acknowledgement of increased Palestinian assault orders given by Prime Minister Sharon.

The month of April 2002 bled, as the Israeli army killed men, women and children in Palestinian villages and refugee camps, such as Jenin: "Israel's fiercest assault of its 2 week old West Bank operation dealt systematic destruction and random death ... the Israelis fired on unarmed civilians, used them as human sheds and obstructed medical workers trying to save the wounded," (Hoffman).
The issue of security is extremely important for Israel to address due to the threat of terrorism. However, it can be seen through these recent massacres that it is no longer in Israeli government interest to protect their people. Through these massacres it is clear that it is no longer about coming to a middle point with peace agreements. The objective of Sharon and his supporters is to completely exterminate the Palestinian population.

Palestinians are dying, unjustly, that is all that need to be said to act on this issue and change the situation. They live in poverty, unable to govern themselves and build themselves up as a nation due to the extremely strong restrictions that bind them. The anger of such groups as Hamas is understandable, but their use of terrorism hides the integrity of their cause. It is also understandable that Israel takes certain measures to protect their people from terrorism, but they are now destroying a race – they are committing genocide. It is only when these humanitarian injustices of Palestinians are solved and this unrecognized Holocaust is put to an end that the true path to peace in the Middle East can begin.

I've been following this for quite some time now. I've posted about the Gaza crisis on this board before.

It's sad how you get the word out and people just ignore this, or say things like "well they're using human shields so all's fair".

Yes, these people have been the victims of horrible atrocities, but Americans are fixated on 9/11 and the destruction of a nation that had nothing to do with it to bring justice to those that could have perprated the horrible event had they had the WMDs. Americans are no longer fixated with Bin Laden because he was the mastermind of 9/11 but now that he's just a "figure", he's not really important. He's just a mastermind turned "figure".

As far as American interest in Gaza, all they have to do is mention "human shields" and that answers everything. Exactly how all of that justifies killing innocent people I honestly don't know, but that will be their claim.

Thanks for posting, but I doubt it will get any attention from other posters.

Try to put up catch words like Kerry, Sheehan, or Michael Moore if you want people to give any attention to a little thing like genocide.

Try to remember that those in Gaza are not Americans. Try to remember that those in Gaza are not really legitimate people. Try to remember that those in Gaza are barbaric people and don't deserve attention or any degree of sympathy because they are 'embedded' with terrorists. Try to remember that American think there are different type of human being. There are the American human beings that deserve all the luxuries that the world can provide. There are the human beings in Gaza that die and deter American human beings from having a good time because their rapid rate of death is a "turn off" and doesn't do much for American Idol ratings.

Try to remember that Americans don't care about Palestine.

Wow, another rant with no response to the article.....

Back to the post, I will admit that I don't know shit about the Palestinian / Israel conflicts...but from what I've gathered, Israel is not the only one to blame.....Yes something must be done, all sides should be having talks, smoke a bong, or whatever needs done to solve the problem.

When an Israeli mistake results in artillery shells accidentally killing 19 civilian Palestinians, some of them women and children, Israel apologizes and investigates. The world condemns Israel (the US shields them in the UN). It is recognized as a tragedy. We feel for the Palestinians and hope they will eventually gain their own state. Israel punishes the soldiers who made the error.

When a Palestinian militant group intentionally fires rockets into Israel and kills innocent women and children, there is no outrage except within Israel. No measures are brought to a vote in the UN and no denunciations are heard from Europe. The Palestinians dance in the streets. There is no apology and no remorse. There is no investigation, except one to award praise to the vile murderers.

It is no surprise, then, that I have ceased to have any feelings of outrage when some Palestinians are accidentally killed by Israeli military responding to intentional murderers of women and children.

You can have your own country any time that you cease acting like barbarians and become civilized in your behavior. Until then, you must suffer what you, yourselves, bring down on your heads.

Originally Posted by Ianmac37

When an Israeli mistake results in artillery shells accidentally killing 19 civilian Palestinians, some of them women and children, Israel apologizes and investigates. The world condemns Israel (the US shields them in the UN). It is recognized as a tragedy. We feel for the Palestinians and hope they will eventually gain their own state. Israel punishes the soldiers who made the error.

When a Palestinian militant group intentionally fires rockets into Israel and kills innocent women and children, there is no outrage except within Israel. No measures are brought to a vote in the UN and no denunciations are heard from Europe. The Palestinians dance in the streets. There is no apology and no remorse. There is no investigation, except one to award praise to the vile murderers.

It is no surprise, then, that I have ceased to have any feelings of outrage when some Palestinians are accidentally killed by Israeli military responding to intentional murderers of women and children.

You can have your own country any time that you cease acting like barbarians and become civilized in your behavior. Until then, you must suffer what you, yourselves, bring down on your heads.

Hm, Hm
Looks Israeli army performs too many accidentally killing mistakes or probably too many excuses for killing innocent Leanness or Palestinian children?

Originally Posted by Ianmac37

When an Israeli mistake results in artillery shells accidentally killing 19 civilian Palestinians, some of them women and children, Israel apologizes and investigates. The world condemns Israel (the US shields them in the UN). It is recognized as a tragedy. We feel for the Palestinians and hope they will eventually gain their own state. Israel punishes the soldiers who made the error.

When a Palestinian militant group intentionally fires rockets into Israel and kills innocent women and children, there is no outrage except within Israel. No measures are brought to a vote in the UN and no denunciations are heard from Europe. The Palestinians dance in the streets. There is no apology and no remorse. There is no investigation, except one to award praise to the vile murderers.

It is no surprise, then, that I have ceased to have any feelings of outrage when some Palestinians are accidentally killed by Israeli military responding to intentional murderers of women and children.

You can have your own country any time that you cease acting like barbarians and become civilized in your behavior. Until then, you must suffer what you, yourselves, bring down on your heads.

Of course. It's always their fault.

Originally Posted by Ianmac37

When an Israeli mistake results in artillery shells accidentally killing 19 civilian Palestinians, some of them women and children, Israel apologizes and investigates. The world condemns Israel (the US shields them in the UN). It is recognized as a tragedy. We feel for the Palestinians and hope they will eventually gain their own state. Israel punishes the soldiers who made the error.

When a Palestinian militant group intentionally fires rockets into Israel and kills innocent women and children, there is no outrage except within Israel. No measures are brought to a vote in the UN and no denunciations are heard from Europe. The Palestinians dance in the streets. There is no apology and no remorse. There is no investigation, except one to award praise to the vile murderers.

It is no surprise, then, that I have ceased to have any feelings of outrage when some Palestinians are accidentally killed by Israeli military responding to intentional murderers of women and children.

You can have your own country any time that you cease acting like barbarians and become civilized in your behavior. Until then, you must suffer what you, yourselves, bring down on your heads.

Did famous Holocaust happen accidentally?
Looks when Israelis kill someone this is an accidental event and when someone kills them this is automatically another Holocaust.

Originally Posted by laca

Psychiatrist found that the children who were abused and beaten by their parents have much more chance to treat their children in the same way then those who did not experience such experience.
What about those who claim to be victims of past genocide, should they repeat the same things to others, is that progress or decline of those who consider themselves as civilised people. What does it have to do Palestinians with Germans? Should Jews sort out their unresolved issues with Germans or with Palestinians?
The definition of the culture of civilised people lies in the question :
How we can protect other from our own imperfection when we are ( feel that we are ) powerful ?




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I see now, the usual Marxist claptrap; personal responsibility is out…its all as de’ Chardin (sp) said environmental determinism…right ?

So Attta because he Supposedly was abused in his youth he gets a pass….no sorry won’t wash..I got a clue for you dude, I was abused when I was young…but I have gone on to become a individual that is beneficial to society…but no, Palestinians and other “suffering ‘ minorities get to exhibit their anguish in and on the public by way of suicide bombs etc….with support!!!!! please…..that argument is so dense…..and false…by your yardstick everyb ghetto child ( of which I was one) should take up arms and kill people...

And that is what separates us, you feel the gov. and the structure of ones living conditions should determine what a person becomes…I say BS…. BS…what one becomes and does is their personal responsibility….by your lights I should be a serial murderer…no not so…and Gandhi? What about him? Where’s the Gandhi’s in the Palestinian sector? Know where?. Dead..anyone that shows one ounce of moderation is considered a collaborator, is drawn and quartered so any Gandhi is killed in the womb…hence 2 generations of pointless struggle…so maybe we can address the fact that not one…not one voice of moderation has been forthcoming?

Originally Posted by Imperator

I see now, the usual Marxist claptrap; personal responsibility is out…its all as de’ Chardin (sp) said environmental determinism…right ?

So Attta because he Supposedly was abused in his youth he gets a pass….no sorry won’t wash..I got a clue for you dude, I was abused when I was young…but I have gone on to become a individual that is beneficial to society…but no, Palestinians and other “suffering ‘ minorities get to exhibit their anguish in and on the public by way of suicide bombs etc….with support!!!!! please…..that argument is so dense…..and false…by your yardstick everyb ghetto child ( of which I was one) should take up arms and kill people...

And that is what separates us, you feel the gov. and the structure of ones living conditions should determine what a person becomes…I say BS…. BS…what one becomes and does is their personal responsibility….by your lights I should be a serial murderer…no not so…and Gandhi? What about him? Where’s the Gandhi’s in the Palestinian sector? Know where?. Dead..anyone that shows one ounce of moderation is considered a collaborator, is drawn and quartered so any Gandhi is killed in the womb…hence 2 generations of pointless struggle…so maybe we can address the fact that not one…not one voice of moderation has been forthcoming?

Hm, HM, Hm, Well, Well, Well looks irrelevant.
Please perform walking instead talking.
Also please stop patronizing decent and innocent people.