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Old 08-04-2006, 09:11 AM
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However, I believe your quote by Henry Ford is an exageration. I firmly believe switches of who is in power can make a difference. It takes long time, at least a decade, the people in charge of the new order must be determined to make a change, and the voters must give them the chance to do this.

Margaret Thatcher was PM for eleven and a half years. One may think anything
about her politics, but she really made a difference.
From the perspective of the some 35-50% of the population that never votes, there is no difference between Thatcher, Blair or Bush. They are all "inside the club" choices. You only get to choose if you want a cherry on top or not. The basic product is the same.
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:16 AM
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I think that one way of getting more democratic elections, is by having an alternative to (special interest) money when it comes to politics; which can be done by publicly financing elections to political office. By not having to make campaign promises (to special interests) in order to obtain money for an election, potential office holders will be more able to keep their campaign promises to the voters who actually cast ballots to vote people into office.
Actually, this strategy tends to empower the government itself, unions and the mass media (which are just different "special interest groups").

And of course, tax-financed election campaigns are the ultimate in "closing the box" to ensure status quo politics forever.

Indeed, elections are probably the worst feature of our political system. I suppose that is to be expected since they represent the least democratic aspect of our government - a pure statement of elite rule. The farce of choosing which elite pretty faces/lies we like better than the other.
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Old 08-04-2006, 03:06 PM
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From the perspective of the some 35-50% of the population that never votes, there is no difference between Thatcher, Blair or Bush. They are all "inside the club" choices. You only get to choose if you want a cherry on top or not. The basic product is the same.
They are free to vote, they are also free not to vote. If they do not vote, they consequently chose not to care who is in charge. Why care about the views of people who chose not to express them?
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Old 08-04-2006, 03:09 PM
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Actually, this strategy tends to empower the government itself, unions and the mass media (which are just different "special interest groups").

And of course, tax-financed election campaigns are the ultimate in "closing the box" to ensure status quo politics forever...
I agree. We have tax finaced support to political parties in Sweden. The support is based on the result in the last elections. The party that gained most support in the last election gets most money. What is that if not preserving status quo?
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Old 08-04-2006, 03:23 PM
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They are free to vote, they are also free not to vote. If they do not vote, they consequently chose not to care who is in charge. Why care about the views of people who chose not to express them?
They have expressed their view. They don't care or don't see any difference.

That is a valid viewpoint. Indeed, it looks to be a plurality.
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Old 08-04-2006, 03:27 PM
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I agree. We have tax finaced support to political parties in Sweden. The support is based on the result in the last elections. The party that gained most support in the last election gets most money. What is that if not preserving status quo?
Exactly why I don't like that kind of system. It entrenches certain political views and locks out new ones. As much as such a system provides in stability in the short term, it creates stagnation in the long term.

In reply to your original thread question, I believe it is highly beneficial to 'throw the bums out' on a semi-regular basis. Keeping them inperpetuity engenders a culture of entitlement amongst the politicians (they begin to believe it is their 'right' to rule over you, and that they know what is best for you).
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