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Old 08-13-2006, 05:38 AM
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Default The untold history of the Star of David

Who has not seen the famous Star of David or Magen David as Jews themselves call it?

I did a bit of research and came to a surprising conclusion, it is in fact a very recent symbol, before that the symbol of judaism was the seven-branched Menorah. To this very day, many Jews still regard the menorah as their true symbol.



The Jewish Student Research Center states: "The Magen David (shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol. It is supposed to represent the shape of King David's shield (or perhaps the emblem on it), but there is really no support for that claim in any early rabbinic literature. In fact, the symbol is so rare in early Jewish literature and artwork that art dealers suspect forgery if they find the symbol in early works."

But where does the six pointed star (known as a hexagram) come from?

Some of you may know that the six pointed star (hexagram) is one of the most important symbols in occultism, especially so-called black magic and contacting evil spirits. We don't know when it exactly became a commonly used symbol in occultism, what we do know is that this began far prior King David was even born. Besides hundreds of books on occultims, many words still referr to the initial occultist use of the six pointed star or hexagram. In Danish a witch is called a hekse, in German a witch is called a Hexe, in Dutch a witch is called a heks, even in English we still speak of putting a hex on somebody.

This is all linked to the hexagram/six pointed star, the most powerful symbol in witchcraft and black magic.

The hexagram was brought to the Jewish people by Solomon when he turned to witchcraft, satanism and idolatry late in his life. David had absolutely nothing to do with the hexagram and that star most certainly did not, in any way, represent God's people. Solomon gave himself up to satanic worship and built altars to Aashtroeth and Moloch (Saturn). The hexagram was never a Jewish symbol. Then in the 1800’s, in Germany, it was adopted by Mayer Rothchild to mark his house. The six pointed star was used as the Rothchild coat of arms. It is difficult to pin down the date at which the six pointed hexagram star became known as the so-called Star of David. In fact the earliest Jewish application of the symbol outside the Rothchild banking and financial empire is 1873. That was the year that the Magen David was adopted as a Jewish device by the American Jewish Publication Society. It is not even mentioned in the rabbinic literature searches. Other than that fact, no one seems to know when or how the Occult or Satanic star, became the Star of David.

The financial guru Meyer Amschel Bauer (who later renamed himself as "Rothschild" which means red shild) was widely known as an occultist and satanist. A house guest wrote in his memoires that the Rothschild family dinner table always had an extra plate for the other god: Satan. The Rothschild banking family is now without doubt the most powerful family in the world.

That's right the symbol on the Holy land's flag is the most important symbol in satanism and occultism and this is not coincidence. It has to do with its founders: The occultist Rothschild family.

The most important document in Israel's history is the so-called Balfour Declaration in which the British government approves the establishment of the Jewish State.

Below is a copy of the Balfour Declaration. Who is it adressed to? It's adressed to Lord Rothschild. The powerful Rothschild family has remained occultist and has always had strong ties with the Freemasons whose goal (and they're very open about it) has always been to rebuild the temple of Salomon, the occult temple of Salomon that is.

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Old 08-13-2006, 06:33 AM
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Satanic star = pentagram = five branches. It would be easy to make a history of the forgeries made over the course of centuries to claim that judaism amounts to satanism.

In other words, relying to the memoirs of people (whom you dont mention the names) living at the time of the Dreyfus affair, to claim that a famous jewish banker is a satanism, looks a lot like bullshit to me.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:13 AM
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Satanic star = pentagram = five branches. .
True, but only partly, you see: the pentagram may be an important symbol in occultism, the hexagram definitely outranks it.


But hopefully you do understand that the hexagram is mainly kept out of the "mainstream/acceptable" wannabe satanism/occultism that makes it to our television sets, i.e. Metallica fans and rebel gothic kids on MTV. They won't make it on tv wearing a giant Star of David with the head of Satan in the middle.

It's kinda....not accetable, with the Holocaust and all.

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Old 08-13-2006, 08:00 AM
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True, but only partly, you see: the pentagram may be an important symbol in occultism, the hexagram definitely outranks it.


But hopefully you do understand that the hexagram is mainly kept out of the "mainstream/acceptable" wannabe satanism/occultism that makes it to our television sets, i.e. Metallica fans and rebel gothic kids on MTV. They won't make it on tv wearing a giant Star of David with the head of Satan in the middle.

It's kinda....not accetable, with the Holocaust and all.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...satan_goat.jpg

Very credible source for your image. As for the hexagram and mtv...Tell me, next time you see Dimmu Borgir or Emperor on MTV


If you're really interested in the issue, you'll want to read this:
http://www.menorah.org/starofdavid.html. You'll learn that the symbol has a history much longer than you pretend it to be.
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Another use of the hexagram in medieval times was as a Jewish printer's mark or heraldic emblem, especially in Prague and among members of the Jewish Foa family, who lived in Italy and Holland. In 1354, Emperor Charles IV of Prague granted the Jews of his city the privilege of displaying their own *flag on state occasions. Their flag displayed a large six-pointed star in its center. A similar flag remains to this day in the Altneuschul, the oldest synagogue in Prague. From Prague, the "Magen David" spread to the Jewish communities of Moravia and Bohemia, and then eventually to Eastern Europe. In 17th-century Vienna, the Jewish quarter was separated from the Christian quarter by a boundary stone inscribed with a hexagram on one side and a cross on the other, the first instance of the six-pointed star being used to represent Judaism as a whole, rather than an individual community.

With Jewish emancipation following the French Revolution, Jews began to look for a symbol to represent themselves comparable to the cross used by their Christian neighbors. They settled upon the six-pointed star, principally because of its heraldic associations. Its geometric design and architectural features greatly appealed to synagogue architects, most of whom were non-Jews. Ironically, the religious Jews of Europe and the Orient, already accustomed to seeing hexagrams on kabbalistic amulets, accepted this secularized emblem of the enlightened Jews as a legitimate Jewish symbol, even though it had no religious content or scriptural basis.

When Theodor Herzl looked for a symbol for the new Zionist movement, he chose the Star of David because it was so well known and also because it had no religious associations. In time, it appeared in the center of the flag of the new Jewish state of Israel and has become associated with national redemption.
For yet another point of view, you can check the site of burzum ("national socialist" death metal, ie neo-nazis.)
I found this text easily, through one of the 10 results for an image search with the keywords "satan hexagram". The other results were:
* the image you just showed;
* 5 images that actually weren't hexagrams;
* 1 site claiming that the architecture of the streets of washington form a satanic hexagram
* 2 sites claiming that the free masons really are nazis.

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THE SYMBOL OF THE BEAST

We all know the number of the beast if 666, but what is actually the symbol of the beast? The so-called "upside down cross" is a Peter-cross, named after him because he was crucified upside down according to the Jewish Christian mythology. It has nothing to do with Satanism. I have discussed the Star of David earlier, the Jewish star. And I criticized them for not having modified their symbol after our knowledge increased, but now I understand why they stick with the old symbol. It is Satan's sign, "the symbol of the beast!"

hexagram

The symbol has six points, six edges (one behind each point) and the symbol has six lines, this becomes the same as three sixes; 666, the "number of the beast". This agrees with the theory - that the Jews are "Satan's people" more than any other, and their god is none other than Satan, the world's evil!

So I rest my case. Your allegations are only another antisemistic attempt to discredit the jews as being an evil people willing to dominate the world.
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:23 PM
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Part of the OP is a direct transcript from a www.demonbuster.com, which again is a transcript from an article written by Jim Searcy on yet a Christian ministry site. So much for a bit of research.

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Old 08-13-2006, 08:47 PM
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This is off-topic, but one of the most fascinating things I've learned in a long time is to see how much influence Persian religious beliefs had on the creation of Christianity. I'm not well-versed on it, but those interested should do some research on it. It's pretty amazing.


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Old 08-14-2006, 01:38 PM
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* 1 site claiming that the architecture of the streets of washington form a satanic hexagram
As someone who has tried to actually drive the streets of DC, I'm almost inclined to beleive that one!
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:41 PM
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This is off-topic, but one of the most fascinating things I've learned in a long time is to see how much influence Persian religious beliefs had on the creation of Christianity. I'm not well-versed on it, but those interested should do some research on it. It's pretty amazing.


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Christianity is a realtively young religion- and it didn't form in a vaccum.
Most of the Christian holidays as celebrated by the western world borrow heavily from European indigenous religions.

@IIIX- nice work.
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Part of the OP is a direct transcript from a www.demonbuster.com, which again is a transcript from an article written by Jim Searcy on yet a Christian ministry site. So much for a bit of research.

What religious groups don't do to promote their stuff
Isn't that plagerism?
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And, as far as the origin of the word 'hex' as in 'to curse'- the association with the greek 'hex' for 'six' is probably spurious.

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hex (v.)
1830, from Pennsylvania Ger. hexe "to practice witchcraft," from Ger. hexen "to hex," related to Hexe "witch," from M.H.G. hecse, hexse, from O.H.G. hagazussa (see hag). Noun meaning "magic spell" is first recorded 1909
from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none

(M.H.G. = middle high German, O.H.G.= old high German)
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