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Old 08-14-2006, 10:18 AM
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Democracy is important, but it is not the only thing a country need. the rule of law is another important thing, as well as the freedoms of speech and religion that Kanadees mention (but I do not know what Kanadees mean by "freedom of choice", freedom to choose what?).

Democracy can become the tyranny of the majority, if you don't have the rule of law and separation of powers, i.e. checks and balances. Preferably also separation of central, regional, and local power, though this depends on how big the country is.

You have to have a Constitution which is hard to amend and upheld by the courts of law, police, and (if necessary) military, a constitution with a Bill of Rights or its equal that ensures rights and freedoms to the people which cannot be done away with by a simple vote in the Legislature of the country or by an executive order by the Head of State. The Legislature should not be able to outlaw political parties just like that, as happened in Germany in 1933.

Most important for a democracy, though, is a good educational system. Democracy gives a lot of power to the people, but the people must be adequately educated to be able to use this right. In a lot of Third World countries, democracy has resulted in the people voting for non-democratic parties, for instance in Algeria and Palestine. I don't blame the people as such, but the ignorance of the people.
Oddly enough, well-educated Germans and Italians both voted for fascists. And those poorly educated illiterate Indians have managed not to.

That is to say, education does not appear to be a critical component. It seems important, but not the only one.

Rather, drgoodtrips has mentioned the factor that I've always proposed as being the most critical in support of democracy - a stable and populous middle class. Neither Palestine nor Algeria had one. That class was notably weak in Weimar Germany in post WW1 Italy. Likewise explains why Russia's democracy has never been very democratic (no middle class there).

Education (or lack thereof) is not always the solution to every problem.
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:43 AM
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I also think culture has something to do with it. There are some cultures, like some African tribes, which have no interest in democracy. I don't think democracy is some silver bullet for all problems. A society must decide on its own what system works best.
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:45 AM
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The bit about the stable middle class puts me in mind of Maslow's heiarchiy of needs- democracy rates somwhere up near 'self actualisation' I suspect, and a population that regularly lacks food and physical security is not going to be able to support it. Democracy may not be the road to prosperity and stability, but rather a byproduct thereof.
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Old 08-14-2006, 11:19 AM
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I also think culture has something to do with it. There are some cultures, like some African tribes, which have no interest in democracy. I don't think democracy is some silver bullet for all problems. A society must decide on its own what system works best.
I don't think this is accurate. It seems closer to the truth to call some African tribes as examples of direct democracy, and more close to democracy than to centralized authoritarianism.


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