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Old 11-29-2005, 05:02 AM
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When they execute him, they will turn him into a martyr for the disaffected arab world for the next 100 years.

Saddam is shrewdly playing politics from his seat at the defense table now.

Someday, the Iraqis will erect a monument on his tomb if we kill him.

What's his defense? "These people were a threat to my country, I took pre-emptive actions against them in the name of law and order and safety of my people." He'll shove George Bush's words down his own throat.

Further, this kangaroo court we're holding in Baghdad....... if we were going to try him anywhere, it should have been before a world body, not the "new government of Iraq" which the arab world (and the rest of it too) knows is merely a proxy for the United States.
Why dont you think that the iraqi people should not have first dibs on him?
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:47 AM
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I think they should put him out of his misery..
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:07 AM
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Under the Iraqi constitution, the president is immune from prosecution for crimes that occurred during his presidency.
So this court is a joke, and the arab world will see it as "Victor's Justice".
Bush just killed 800 civilians in Fallujah, are we going to string him up?
The new puppet government is running death squads and torturing their opponents, are they going on trial?
Former constitution, not the current one which is interim.
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:09 AM
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To the ICC?!? I think not!

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Old 11-29-2005, 12:14 PM
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ICC president says Hague has no jurisdiction over Hussein trial
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[JURIST] The president of the International Criminal Court (ICC) [official website] said Monday that ICC rules prevent the court from asserting any jurisdiction over claims against Saddam Hussein [JURIST news archive]. Judge Philippe Kirsch [official profile], a Canadian, noted that the new world criminal tribunal at The Hague is only authorized to hear claims arising from incidents occuring after July 1st, 2002; so far Saddam has been charged [JURIST report] only in connection with the 1982 killing of 143 Shiites in the Iraqi village of Dujail. On Monday, Saddam's lawyers repeated [Reuters report] an earlier call [JURIST report] to have Hussein's trial venue moved to a location outside of Iraq, saying that they are risking their lives by remaining in the country, especially after a defense lawyers for one of the former Iraqi dictator's co-defendants was murdered [JURIST report] last month. The defense team has threatened not to cooperate [JURIST report] with the Iraqi Special Tribunal [official website] trying Hussein until security is strengthened as promised by the Iraqi government [JURIST report], or the trial is moved out of the country. AP has more.
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:33 PM
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Former constitution, not the current one which is interim.
Saddam hasn't committed any crimes under the new constitution, which doesn't exist yet.

Even if you scrap what is still the current constitution that Hussein himself put in, you would go back to the constitution of 1957, which also exempted the president from prosecution.

From a strictly legal perspective, Saddam is innocent. Unless you can find a crime he committed before he was President, and witnesses willing to testify.
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:35 PM
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Ramsey Clark, Attorney General under LBJ, will undoubtedly do something to make sure he embarrasses the US. I cannot abide that a former high US official will be on the defense team for Saddam Hussein. This is treason of the highest sort.

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So i guess if the circus does not go on it is an unfortunate accident for Saddam...

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Old 11-29-2005, 06:00 PM
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Bush just killed 800 civilians in Fallujah, are we going to string him up?
wow ... and just think, Cindy thought George was in Crawford ... Now you tell us he was in Fallujah. Send Cindy an e-mail and give her an update.



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Old 11-30-2005, 06:32 AM
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Why dont you think that the iraqi people should not have first dibs on him?
1) I don't think the court WE'VE set up in Baghdad represents "the Iraqi people." It represents the United States.

2) Crimes against humanity are crimes not only against the Iraqis but the entire world. These crimes, since Nuremberg have been tried by world bodies.
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