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Old 12-09-2005, 02:54 AM
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Honestly, we are not hearing much about Ramsey Clark in our media - it is pretty much a non-event.

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Old 12-09-2005, 03:23 AM
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Because Ramsey Clark is a non-entity. People always wonder why the Noam Chomskys, Harold Pinters, Ramsey Clarks, et al never get press coverage here, while appearing on European networks fairly frequently. The reason is that Americans don't particularly think they have anything intelligent to say.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:24 PM
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Because Ramsey Clark is a non-entity. People always wonder why the Noam Chomskys, Harold Pinters, Ramsey Clarks, et al never get press coverage here, while appearing on European networks fairly frequently. The reason is that Americans don't particularly think they have anything intelligent to say.
What about Bush jr.?
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:54 PM
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Because Ramsey Clark is a non-entity. People always wonder why the Noam Chomskys, Harold Pinters, Ramsey Clarks, et al never get press coverage here, while appearing on European networks fairly frequently. The reason is that Americans don't particularly think they have anything intelligent to say.
I find a lot of Americans very often ignore things because they don't UNDERSTAND what some people are saying. Not that those people you mentioned are particularly brilliant (I don't even KNOW who Pinter is.) but that there are many people a lot LESS intelligent. People don't care to be thought of as stupid and they really hate to think it themselves so they just ignore/dismiss what they don't understand.

Right wingers are good for that. As far as international affairs such as the war we are engaged in are concerned, they see the world through the eyes of Sam Peckinpah. It's clean and it's easy. If something is too complex or doesn't fit their notion of what's right, just shoot it.
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Old 12-13-2005, 05:10 AM
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Or, perhaps Ramsey Clark is one of the few people in the US with any brains left, who actually understand the symbolism of a fair and open trial in this case? That it is paramount for the image of the US, and the rule of law, that Saddam will have a fair trial? That if they simply excecute the bastard, this will mark it as "american justice" in the entire region forever? And that a trial and a phony verdict now would've been the same as the "special councils" Saddam offered his victims? Is it completily lost on you that there are people in Iraq right now who are struggling like madmen to maintain a semblance of legality with their proceedings under very difficult circumstances right now - and what do they see? America thinking nothing of skipping past such things as rule of law and elections when it suits them. It sends a signal, you see, that the "freedom" and "democracy" in Iraq only goes so far. But hey, most people knew that on beforehand, anyway.
Your missing one component of a free and fair trial, that those involved must tell the truth. Do you think Sadaam is telling the truth? In addition, this is an Iraqi trial, not an American trial, and therefore is not protected by our laws. They can run it how they see fit.
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Old 12-13-2005, 10:40 AM
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Your missing one component of a free and fair trial, that those involved must tell the truth. Do you think Sadaam is telling the truth? In addition, this is an Iraqi trial, not an American trial, and therefore is not protected by our laws. They can run it how they see fit.
Actually, I think it's classified as an international tribunal. And the trial doesn't come up to the usual standards (which aren't very high) simply because of the security problem. Lawyers are killed off, and the case, as far as I can gather, snails along because they really have to make up the proceedings as they go along. The problem with this, and something everyone should agree upon, is that this trial should not continue endlessly. But it must also be fair. There must be some sort of closure with this trial, or else it is simply a fake trial where Saddam is judged by the americans and their friends for pure political reasons.

If that makes anyone advocating a fair trial an opponent of the US policies in Iraq... well.
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Old 02-15-2006, 02:05 PM
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Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Ramsey Clark is gonna make a fortune defending this loser! Take lot$ of time, make any sort of argument, twist & shout (quietly...), & even make a bit of history! THAT'S what he's doing! Any questions??? -RH
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Old 02-15-2006, 02:06 PM
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Yes - why resurrect a two month old thread?

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However, why respond to a resurrected thread?
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Old 02-16-2006, 11:47 AM
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BOTH GOOD QUESTIONS, However I think I've got a better one. WHY ARE WE EVEN INTERESTED??? Look at it this way. we went into Iraq, put his regime down, which, IMHO, we should have done ten years earlier Captured him, and to some degree, turned him over to the people he had systematically aboused.

What we SHOULD Do, is wipe our hands of him. we accomplished our goal to get him out of power. Now leave it to the Iraqis to Try him, sentence him, and basically keep him out of power, in any way they deem reasonable and proper.

LEAVE IT TO THEM. If he gets back in power, it's THEIR fault.
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