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Goober, you are inferring that Iraq under Saddam's government respected rule of law. Absurd.
The news coverage of his trial give it the appearance of a farce. At the end of the day, however, it will not be difficult to prove in court he engaged in extrajudicial murders.
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Iraq is not a sovereign nation, it is under military occupation and the occupation forces control the police and military forces. According to the Iraqi Constitution, the president has immunity from prosecution fro crimes that occurred during his term of office, so under Iraqi law, Saddam cannot be prosecuted. Not only does the constitution promulgated by Saddam say that, but the 1957 constitution says that, so even if you strike out the later constitution, the earlier one would also grant the President immunity. The rule of law is about process, in the US, "obviously" guilty people are released when illegally collected evidence is suppressed, the rule of law is not about the result, it's about the process. To charge Saddam with a crime for which he is immune from prosecution violates the Iraqi constitution that was in force at the time of the incident. Saddam should be brought to a venue where he can be legally charged, such as the Hague.
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Saddam's crimes against the Iraqi people must be punished by the Iraqi people.
In the case of a lawless society as Iraq was under Saddam, all laws by necessity have to be after the fact. Murderers, rapists, and burglars who comitted crimes under Saddam's reign don't get to go free either. |
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He's being tried for a crime that involved an attempt to assasinate him, treason under Iraqi law, the guilty were put to death, which is also the penalty for treason in the US. So the imposition of the death penalty is somehow a crime for which the president is now subject to the death penalty. This is just victor's justice, where the vanquished leaders are executed, at least the Romans were honest about it, and did it as part of a huge pageant, rather than pretend it was an actual legal proceeding, this has got a lot more in common with Stalin's show trials than with the judgements at Nuremburg.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullum_...a_lege_poenali
ex post facto - After the fact, ordinarily used in reference to constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws. For example, a person cannot be punished for conduct committed before a criminal law was enacted. Under Saddam, Iraq was not governed by stated constitutional law and thereby the intention of the leader (in which case, Saddam) is assumed the governing law of the land. Consequently, Saddam broke no Iraqi laws during his rule, and thereby cannot be subject to Iraqi prosecution. Nonetheless, he allegedly (probably) broke numerous international laws (genocide, murder, etc...) and should have been tried in the Hague. Sadly, America doesn't believe in the ICC system. Additionally, "the recent Iraqi Constitution approved by a referendum held on October 15, 2005, stipulates the following: Article (19) Second - There shall be no crime and no punishment without a stipulation [by law]; there shall be no punishment except for an act the law considers a crime at the time of its commission; and no punishment shall be imposed that is more severe than the punishment in effect at the time of the commission of the crime.[6]" Last edited by mjblue2345; 06-24-2006 at 08:40 PM. |
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