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Old 04-27-2006, 05:00 AM
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But there is a legal way to try Saddam, in the Hague.
Why use an illegal court, that will be seen as completely unfair by the very people who you want to see it as fair?

This is all about killing Saddam (the outcome) and has nothing to do with the rule of law (the process). This is a case of a country, launching an unprovoked invasion of an arab Islamic nation, capturing the legal leader of that nation and executing him, denying him all legal process, substituting a show trial that is a mockery of the legal system.
And that is how this will be seen in the region.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:08 AM
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Because that would deny justice to the Iraqi people.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:43 AM
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Because that would deny justice to the Iraqi people.
Then let the Iraqis try Saddam, not this fake US financed court of US appointed judges, using fake US made up law, and a US financed prosecution.

OR even better, do it LEGALLY, send him to the Hague, follow the law, he will never see the light of day as a free man and it will be done in a real legal court using real law.
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Old 04-27-2006, 01:21 PM
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No! Don't send him to the Hague!

Let the country (or countries) he attacked try him, not some grandstanding international authority that is worse than our own Congress.

Didn't you follow the circus show that was the Milosovich saga? I mean come on!

Hand him over to Kuwait and let them kill him.
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:05 PM
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No! Don't send him to the Hague!

Let the country (or countries) he attacked try him, not some grandstanding international authority that is worse than our own Congress.

Didn't you follow the circus show that was the Milosovich saga? I mean come on!

Hand him over to Kuwait and let them kill him.

Just think about what you wrote in the broader context. Does this mean that you support the the families of victims of crime, or even the victims themselves should have the authority to try and punish the oppressor; whether it be robbery or rape? What about impartiality? It's the same thing here.
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:13 PM
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No look when we extradite people to foreign countries (the U.S. extraditing i mean) we do it only with statesand nations who have impartial and independant judiciaries, those who have civil liberties and laws and rules, those who give them the right to defend themself and not just hang them.
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:16 PM
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I agree with
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:17 PM
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oops ... I'll try again ... I agree with your last point, but in your previous post you had said let the people he attacked try him. This wouldn't allow for an impartial hearing, which is what The Hague was set up for. Or, dare I even mention the International Criminal Court?
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:31 PM
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Haha, i think you'll find that the ineffeciency of that court or both those courts should be qualifications of those courts to be under the jurisdiction of the U.N. but that aside when i said the people he attacked, i mean it in the sense that the country he committed war crimes against should have the right to try him for crimes against them. Technically the crimes were against them, the crimes were against their people and it happened on their soil. I.e. just like any other crime would be tried by their government or prosecuted this is no different, happened against them as a state this time that's all, as an act of war.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:02 PM
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Didn't you read what i wrote? I said we should hand him over to the natiopn's that he committed war crimes against, the same way we surely would have with Hitler too had he not committed suicide.

Of course I read what you wrote. How could I question the rationality of your post if I hadn’t read it? Hitler would have been tried at Nuremburg, just like the rest of the Nazi hierarchy. Unless your concept of justice had been adopted, in which case he couldn’t be tried for his most heinous crimes. The holocaust was committed in German territory.

Iran would have a much greater claim to Saddam then Kuwait. Iraqi troops launched a conventional attack and were in Kuwait for 8 months. The Iran-Iraq war lasted for 8 years, created over a million casualties, and was the setting of the most flagrant violations of the chemical weapons ban in history. Do you really think Saddam should be turned over to Ahmadinejad?


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Of course they do but ultimately it is them in charge of states/nations and unless they agree to a law on how they treat those individuals its hardly possible to charge them with something that technically wasn't a crime under their rule.

No leader should ever feel omnipotent. The worst atrocities in history occurred for precisely this reason. The leaders; political, religious or otherwise, should always feel that one day they may be held accountable for their actions by the people over whom they preside.
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