Thread: Wisconsin recall elections

Originally Posted by Commodore

Ok, just as long as you know you are stealing from your children.

Expect a lot more results like those from 2010.



You do realize that government regulators did and still do threaten lenders with discrimination charges for daring to ask a potential lender if they can repay the loan?

And you are a professional economist with which firm or university? The title of the book you published on economic was...............

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Put me in my place? ROFLMAO.

Clearly, you utterly missed my point, and chose to disengage via rudeness rather than make an honest effort to discuss the point.

Oh, well.

I learned at work there are only so many hours in the day. I just refuse to waste them. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. I wrote you off at your post #105. In fact I doubt anyone is taking you seriously, no one has addressed your last four posts!

Meh, whatever.

If you're expecting me to care about your whining here, you'll be disappointed.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Meh, whatever.

If you're expecting me to care about your whining here, you'll be disappointed.

For business or pleasure I have been to Jacksonville, Daytona, Orlando, Miami and Key West. Most would tell you Key West is the most fun, and my wife and I did have an interesting time with some of Key West's keepers of President Harry Truman's private papers. Some of what I saw should never be published. That president knew how to find a good time in Key West!

Daytona takes first place with me. I was there by accident during spring break. Students were jumping off the fifth floor balconies into the motel swimming pool! I will never forget being taken for a drive ON Daytona Beach in a GTO convertible at night, magnificently American! For me Daytona beats Disneyworld and Universal Studios. I wish we could drive on the beach here in Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica, but we do have Tom Hank's Bubba Gump Shrimp Shack on our famous pier, and the Zoltar machine from Tom Hank's movie "Big."

You do realize you and I enjoy privileged environments while our fellow citizens just watch time pass in front of television? When you have as much as we do, it is difficult to take politics too seriously.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

For business or pleasure I have been to Jacksonville, Daytona, Orlando, Miami and Key West. Most would tell you Key West is the most fun, and my wife and I did have an interesting time with some of Key West's keepers of President Harry Truman's private papers. Some of what I saw should never be published. That president knew how to find a good time in Key West!

Daytona takes first place with me. I was there by accident during spring break. Students were jumping off the fifth floor balconies into the motel swimming pool! I will never forget being taken for a drive ON Daytona Beach in a GTO convertible at night, magnificently American! For me Daytona beats Disneyworld and Universal Studios. I wish we could drive on the beach here in Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica, but we do have Tom Hank's Bubba Gump Shrimp Shack on our famous pier, and the Zoltar machine from Tom Hank's movie "Big."

You do realize you and I enjoy privileged environments while our fellow citizens just watch time pass in front of television? When you have as much as we do, it is difficult to take politics too seriously.

You must be that Neven Shapiro guy that is talking about Miami...

Originally Posted by CSA

You must be that Neven Shapiro guy that is talking about Miami...

You are easy. I wanted to find out what level you would choose with me, and you bring in Nevin Shapiro - a Floridian.

This allows me the opportunity to bring this thread back on topic, and to make a brutal point about us liberals. There are really only two kinds. First we have the utopian liberals striving for some kind of idealistic, spiritual "Kumbaya" future. This group, living in bubbles of their own creation belong in religion, not politics. They will do a lot of praying, and suffer a lot of disappointment.

To these people I propose the Democrats read up on Tammany Hall, and the Republicans review the career of former President Chester Arthur and his political machine. Google can service your information needs.

Then there is the group I belong to - practical liberal Democrats.. While we have hopes for a bright future, we are in the business of getting things done in the here and now. We have no illusions about how the world of hardball politics works. The word practical is the most important part of that label.

Frankly we welcome the votes of the Kumbaya crowd, but we like to keep them as far away from the real world of hardball politics as possible. Fact is that if you want things to run properly - keep the do-gooders out. It is not that they are unable to understand the realities of rough and tumble American politics, they just can not give up their pleasant dreams of utopia and get into the realities of day-to-day problem solving.

These do-gooders find living with reality to be "uncomfortable," so guys like me, (and I am a minor player), do it for them and they get to keep their eyes comfortably closed. They are happy because they keep their hands clean, but share in the joy of political success. Stated simply, we take their votes. We run things the way we want to, and tell them what they want to hear.

Sorry if I burst your bubble, but somewhere in that heart and head of yours I think you already knew this. I am not for one minute attacking your intellectual ability. Like all of us, you live in a bubble of your choosing. Guys like me spend our lives working to prevent the idea of living in a bubble. It is part of our job.

Morality? Each of us have their own. As I am not a political decision maker I do not call the shots. I work for a national advertising agency. Clients hire people like me to sell their products in the mass media the same way the client's sales force does. We do this for money. Except in one case, a financial services company who had a package with a disguised interest rate of 38%, I have not had to compromise my ethics. I needed a job, and got off the account in less than a year. I have never had to sell sugar or salt based snacks, soft drinks, alcohol, or tobacco which cause some of us in our field ethical reservations. I have also never had to promote a candidate I did not believe to be the best for the elected position. I contributed professionally in a small way to Obama/Biden in 2008, but am passing on 2012 due to the administration playing poker with Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid during the debt ceiling negotiations. While we in mass communications live very well materialistically, those without a moral rudder usually do not last long in the field. They either run, crackup, or suicide.

This is not democracy in action. We play for keeps.

There are two ways to sell any product - fear of loss, or promise of gain. Emotion is the effective button in either case. Here is a clip from the television show Mad Men where the campaign to sell the Kodak slide projector was made in the 1960s. You will note that at the end of the presentation one of the agency execs has to leave the room in tears. Emotion is an extremely powerful advertising tool. In general we Dems do a better job with the creative, but Repubs tend to have more money and can run their commercials more frequently.

Mad Men: The Carousel - YouTube

How does this level suit you, C-S-A? We libs won in Wisconsin, and the fall out is just beginning. If you want to attempt another one liner on Nevin Shapiro, feel free. However, you might do better forgetting that I may be offending you, and try thinking this through. I usually get paid when I work.