Thread: It is the United States causing terrorism?

Take a look at the WORLDWIDE 3,069 (and counting) Islamic terror attacks that have occured since 9/11.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm#attacks

what is this? The whole world should bow down and crumble to the religion of Islam - only then will there be peace? Otherwise you can expect more of the same?

But if you think the US being in Iraq is the cause of terrorism - please explain.

It's the old story. One man's terrorist is another man's freedome fighter.

Originally Posted by Malvolio

It's the old story. One man's terrorist is another man's freedome fighter.

You completely miss the point.

Islamic Jihad is taking place around the world - not just in Iraq, and certainly not just where the US is involved. The US has nothing to do whith many of the countries being destoyed by attempted Islam rule, government, and terrorists.

Originally Posted by sumyd

You completely miss the point.

Islamic Jihad is taking place around the world - not just in Iraq, and certainly not just where the US is involved. The US has nothing to do whith many of the countries being destoyed by attempted Islam rule, government, and terrorists.

Well, certainly the US didn't cause all the terrorism in the world. The islamist fundamentalists are opposed to the Western world in general and as the US is the dominant representative of Wester-world lifestyle, it's their natural concept of an enemy.

But the foreign policy of the US certainly wasn't always helpful either. I don't even want to talk about the mess in Iraq here. Unfortunately there are manye examples in history when the US (and the West in general) supported terorists or dictators if it seemed useful at that time. Bin Laden and his comrades were trainded and equiped by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, just to name one prominent example.

Originally Posted by sumyd

Take a look at the WORLDWIDE 3,069 (and counting) Islamic terror attacks that have occured since 9/11.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm#attacks

what is this? The whole world should bow down and crumble to the religion of Islam - only then will there be peace? Otherwise you can expect more of the same?

But if you think the US being in Iraq is the cause of terrorism - please explain.

Another point ... I think it would be a cheap shot to blame it all on Islam. Islamic history begins in Arabia in the 7th century. There are almost 1,5 billion muslims in the World today (app. 23% of the World population). How many of them are terrorists? International Islamist terrorism is a quite new phenomenon since the 1970ies. And fundamentalism and terrorism was and is not an Islamic monopoly. Christians and other religions have their share too. I guess it can't only be the religion that makes the terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Originally Posted by Malvolio

It's the old story. One man's terrorist is another man's freedome fighter.

Amusing.....but quite insightful. It wouldn't be so profound, if so many Americans weren't so fucking stupid as to overlook the obvious.

Yeah... Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrorist attacks, so was Dresden... doesn't mean the US is all bad, since everybody did that at the time. But clearly, the best definition of "terrorism", that the UN is still searching, is "ennemy". All ennemies are terrorists these days.
Iraqi fighters kill US soldiers? Terrorism! North Korea has nukes? Terrorism! Or, reverse: Israel launches a missile? terrorism!

Originally Posted by IIIX

Yeah... Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrorist attacks, so was Dresden... doesn't mean the US is all bad, since everybody did that at the time. But clearly, the best definition of "terrorism", that the UN is still searching, is "ennemy". All ennemies are terrorists these days.

I don't agree. I won't bother to debate you on it, but just thought that I would avoid being placed in the same basket as you.

For me its a question of what the alternative? Pre 911, we didnt kick the ant hill, but still got stung once in a while. After we did kick the anthill and so stirred up the next. But in doing so you see and kill more ants, and hopefully take down the hill eventually.

You could of course argue that even without invasion, we cause terrorism by trying to get invloved in islamic countries afairs, but then we get involved in all countries afairs and they dont blow us up. Almost all terrorism is muslim based, so that must be where the problem lies. The US and its policies are simply the focus because we are the largest and most active target.

Originally Posted by sumyd

But if you think the US being in Iraq is the cause of terrorism - please explain.

When Saddam was in power, he knew that he had to put a damper on terrorist groups if he wanted to stay in power. Now there's a power vacuum, so every Tom, Dick, and Abdullah with a bomb and a machine gun is moving into Iraq to set up a training camp. And there's nothing Bush can or will do about it.

The US being in Iraq might not be the cause of terrorism, but being in Iraq isn't doing anything to decrease it: probably the opposite.