Yeah, basically. I think if you send your kid to school and you don't want some teacher to tell your kid that it's ok to be a homosexual and do homosexual acts, then that is something the school has to refrain from doing.

Well I think that (and hope) that some people who favor the termination of any rejection of homosexuality have different attitudes about this. If not, then hey, maybe I need to join the Republican Party. I think that they will certainly produce this kind of reaction with their militancy.


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What is it that you beleive these different attitudes ARE ? That:


A. Gays and "gay culture" should STAY seperate and not make any attempt to blend in with society and behave in ways that KEEP mainstream society veiwing them as an oddball culture of fruits, nuts and flakes ?


Or


B. Gays and "gay culture" should disband, blend in and discontinue the seperatist behaviour(s) so prevalent IN present day "gay culture" ?

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Use liberals artistic manipulation of logic and language against them.

What constitutes 'gay culture'? Where does your knowledge of it come from?

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Vids of the Castro, most likely. That's where it seems most images that the anti-gay establishment have of what gays are about come from.

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From how they seperate themselves from mainstream culture and because of that choice how they behave towards mainstream culture.

I've known some of them TOO so have been plenty exposed to them and their own attempts at a seperate "culture". That there is little to center this culture AROUND besides a sexual preference leaves it rather weak and fragmented. I suspect this is why most of America veiws gays and present day gay culture as little more than a group of strange, sex obsessed oddballs.


Why do you ask ME "what constitutes gay culture" ? You should have been more exposed to it than I have. Maybe not the CASE though. I've been around a lot of it, so I know about it.



If they stop acting and saying such strange things maybe they'll be more acceptable to mainstream. That you're a MEMBER of "gay" means it falls on YOUR shoulders to settle down and straighten out your spazzed out idiot brethren who talk and behave like lunatics.

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[I]They exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator. . . . Therefore, God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature.[/I] - Romans 1:25-26

Use liberals artistic manipulation of logic and language against them.

I live in a heavily republican conservative area. Where I live they call our senator "hitlery" on a regualr basis. There is a lot of racial discrimination against blacks here. The anti-abortiion movement is very strong here and people value conservative fiscal and tax policies hands down.
But homosexuality seems to be pretty much accepted these days and most people here would not favor the anti homosexual amendment. I do see kneejerk objection to the use of the word "marriage" because of the religious connotations. But almost every person I've talked to about this (in my town) agrees that homosexuals should not be denied the rights that come with marriage. If the only way to accomplish this is to call it marriage (and I think it is) then most people i know would go for that even thought the word bothers them.

I do know three people who are rabidly homophobic about this.
They believe homosexuality is destroying the country. All three are members of fundamanetalist churches. Although they are friendly enough, they have made it clear that my catholocism could land me in hell. All three have offered me books about the coming of the end times. I read one.

You were the one talking about it to begin with. My experience is that gay folks come from all walks of life, and therefore have different cultures. The only unifying issue is the desire to be treated fairly (and probaly not all gay folk would even agree on this). So I becme curious when straight folk start on about 'gay culture'. It appears you concept comes from televised parades and possibly fundie preacher descriptions. What if I formed my ideas about straight folks from watching televised Mardi Gras celebrations?

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If you are interested here is a collection of surveys done over the last several years:

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20050520_H...UALITY0520.pdf

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I think that acceptance of homosexuality will vary depending on where you are regionaly and geographically, but on the whole I would say that it's becoming generally more accepted.

It appears clear that the agenda for homosexual acceptance is desensitization through media. Traditional religion and morality regards homosexuality as shocking or perverse. The easiest way to rid people of that way of thinking is to desensitize them.
The desensitization technique of continually showing an individual something that causes anxiety or makes them uncomfortable, while in a calm and controled setting is commonly accepted in psychological practice as a good way to disassociate the discomfort from the technique's subject.

An example would be to subject people, in the comfort of their homes, to abundant homosexuality through television programs, advertisements, commercials, exc ... through the sheer frequency of subjection people will eventually become generally desensitized.

There was a time, not to long ago, when homosexuality was so generally unaccepted that a show who's predominant subject matter was such couldn't even hold a time slot on television (think the popular show "Ellen" being canceled the season after her "coming out" show), and now you can't hardly turn the channel without seeing gay themed television shows (Queer Eye, Workout, Will & Grace) to exclusively gay television channels (Logo, Bravo ) to commercials for gay themed movies (Brokeback). Practically even show on television anymore has at least some small role filled by a gay character.

The key to acceptance of homosexuality as a normality isn't with the people who are adults right now though, it's with the next generation of adults ... the kids of today. A lot of teen and young adult television has commonplace homosexuality in it ... from Marissa's lesbian stint on the OC to various MTV hosts and programs.

I don't think that it'll ever be completely accepted with today's adult generation, but I find it hard to believe that it won't be by the next.

Well I was being a little vague. Intentionally. I'm really commenting on the lack of any tolerance for opposing homosexuality. I'm on another thread (not the MM off-topic thread) but a different thread about homosexuality and I got attacked and mocked just for disagreeing. Of course I retaliated, but still....I really do think that there's a lot of people out there like that. There's a lot of liberals out there who will treat you like shit for disagreeing.

They can try that, but I guess we'll see what happens.


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