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W.E.B. Du Bois · #21 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie

I think that acceptance of homosexuality will vary depending on where you are regionaly and geographically, but on the whole I would say that it's becoming generally more accepted.

It appears clear that the agenda for homosexual acceptance is desensitization through media. Traditional religion and morality regards homosexuality as shocking or perverse. The easiest way to rid people of that way of thinking is to desensitize them.
The desensitization technique of continually showing an individual something that causes anxiety or makes them uncomfortable, while in a calm and controled setting is commonly accepted in psychological practice as a good way to disassociate the discomfort from the technique's subject.

An example would be to subject people, in the comfort of their homes, to abundant homosexuality through television programs, advertisements, commercials, exc ... through the sheer frequency of subjection people will eventually become generally desensitized.

There was a time, not to long ago, when homosexuality was so generally unaccepted that a show who's predominant subject matter was such couldn't even hold a time slot on television (think the popular show "Ellen" being canceled the season after her "coming out" show), and now you can't hardly turn the channel without seeing gay themed television shows (Queer Eye, Workout, Will & Grace) to exclusively gay television channels (Logo, Bravo

) to commercials for gay themed movies (Brokeback). Practically even show on television anymore has at least some small role filled by a gay character.

The key to acceptance of homosexuality as a normality isn't with the people who are adults right now though, it's with the next generation of adults ... the kids of today. A lot of teen and young adult television has commonplace homosexuality in it ... from Marissa's lesbian stint on the OC to various MTV hosts and programs.

I don't think that it'll ever be completely accepted with today's adult generation, but I find it hard to believe that it won't be by the next.

Do we have any gay media stars? Even the Chinese got Yao Ming and Jet Lee. Do gays have anyone like that?

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W.E.B. Du Bois · #22 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by timj219

I live in a heavily republican conservative area. Where I live they call our senator "hitlery" on a regualr basis. There is a lot of racial discrimination against blacks here.

Just curious about this. How do they discriminate against blacks there?

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Donkey_Left · #23 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:32 PM

Well, back in the day several of Hollywoods biggest stars were gay. Of course, that was all hush-hush.

But of course we have gay celebrities: Hillary Clinton, Martha Stewart, Barbara Boxer...

W.E.B. Du Bois · #24 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Well, back in the day several of Hollywoods biggest stars were gay. Of course, that was all hush-hush.

But of course we have gay celebrities: Hillary Clinton, Martha Stewart, Barbara Boxer...

Actually, I just of thought of one: Elton John.

Thane · #25 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

You were the one talking about it to begin with. My experience is that gay folks come from all walks of life, and therefore have different cultures.

That hasn't been what I'VE observed. Sure, they come "from all walks of life". Their entire being and self identity is centered on "gay" though. There seems to be a connection to deviant sexual behaviour and a negative veiw of the overall society. They seem to think that they are somehow "better" than the rest of "us". So far HERE (this forum) you are the exception to the rule (there are always exceptions). You seem able and willing to DEAL and discuss with "us" rather than dish out attitude, arrogance and dressed up "intellectualism". You're non-snotty attitude is very refreshing and makes me wonder if there really ARE a few gay people that don't have their heads where they don't belong :-) Well, Ok there MUST be LOL. Could that previous sentence be applied to liberals and liberalism ? I can't answer that one.

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Originally Posted by Otter

The only unifying issue is the desire to be treated fairly (and probaly not all gay folk would even agree on this). So I becme curious when straight folk start on about 'gay culture'. It appears you concept comes from televised parades and possibly fundie preacher descriptions. What if I formed my ideas about straight folks from watching televised Mardi Gras celebrations?

I've formed my opinions based on the ones I've known and met. Based on those HERE as well of course (I know THAT can't be a fair representation. What ? Are 98 % of gay people unbalanced nuts ? Based on HERE, that would be the only conclusion one could come to.)

Never watched a "televised gay parade". Do they really televise that shit ? I don't GET cable. Don't listen to "fundie preachers" as they bore me.

You state: The only unifying issue is the desire to be treated fairly.

Then: (and probably not all gay folk would even agree on this)

If gays want to be treated fairly, they'd better get their act(s) together and actually decide just what the hell it is they WANT. They want marriage they want rights. Marriage rights marriage rights marriage rights marriage rights ........ Then they make statements like "the rights only COME with the word." which is obviously false even to a fool like ME. It only proves once again, the general connection to deviant sexual behaviour and a negative veiw of the overall society. When they realize they aren't going to SUCCEED in redefining the word marriage, maybe they'll decide to WORK on the "getting treated fairly" part. They COULD have been working on that this whole TIME. Instead, they've busied themselves pissing off a good portion of America. But, yes I know. Most of America happily accepts homosexuality ALREADY. RIGHT ? And we're all ready to have marriage redefined TOO RIGHT ? It should HAPPEN in the next couple years then yes ? Lets see what happens.

Rakkasan · #26 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:40 PM

you know i think america has changed its attitude since the mid 90's

most americans dont have issue with homosexuality nor do they care

i think the only time people ever speak up about it is when the AGENDA is forced down their throat like marriage...........

and then they sound off or get involved

but day to day i dont think the average american has issue with it

but thats just my opinion

Charlie · #27 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Do we have any gay media stars? Even the Chinese got Yao Ming and Jet Li. Do gays have anyone like that?

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I would say that they do ... Elton John and Kevin Spacy are the two that spring to mind first, although there are more ... K.D. Lang, Stephen Fry, Sir Ian McKellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Lance Bass ...

Thane · #28 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Well I was being a little vague. Intentionally.

I'm really commenting on the lack of any tolerance for opposing homosexuality. I'm on another thread (not the MM off-topic thread) but a different thread about homosexuality and I got attacked and mocked just for disagreeing. Of course I retaliated, but still....I really do think that there's a lot of people out there like that. There's a lot of liberals out there who will treat you like shit for disagreeing.

They can try that, but I guess we'll see what happens.

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That's generally the tactic liberals USE. They want to SILENCE the opposition because if nobody opposes them their lies and omissions won't be EXPOSED.

Where do you think the cleverly worded arrogant language use COMES from ? Where do you think the pseudo-intellectualism comes from ?

If they can pose themselves as very educated/knowledgeable people maybe they can SELL their nonsense to the masses.

I don't think they'll be able to fool the masses though. Not the way they're trying too. They're only going to continue destroying themselves.

Yes, we'll see what happens. Watch and learn.

Thane · #29 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

you know i think america has changed its attitude since the mid 90's

most americans dont have issue with homosexuality nor do they care

i think the only time people ever speak up about it is when the AGENDA is forced down their throat like marriage...........

and then they sound off or get involved

but day to day i dont think the average american has issue with it

but thats just my opinion

I think you're about right. Gays get off marriage idea and they'll be just fine.

W.E.B. Du Bois · #30 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie

I would say that they do ... Elton John and Kevin Spacy are the two that spring to mind first, although there are more ... K.D. Lang, Stephen Fry, Sir Ian McKellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Lance Bass ...

Kevin Spacey switched teams?

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