So, if their goal wasn't to put an end to it why all the noise about it ?

Noise THEY MADE !

Are they MAKING that noise about how it's an infringement on our "freedoms" and our "rights to privacy" NOW ?

They just make a lot of noise and fuss if they think it will SERVE them somehow DON'T they ?

Looks like perhaps all the blathering and raving lunacy they were going through only served to expose them for the mentally unbalanced nuts they are AGAIN

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Use liberals artistic manipulation of logic and language against them.

From the article in the OP:

"Joint Homeland Special Assessment, which the FBI and DHS's Office of Intelligence Analysis drafted and sent out, is titled "Possible Terrorist Use of Liquid Explosive Materials in Future Attacks." The document states: "The FBI and DHS have no information of plotting within the United States, but such a possibility cannot be discounted."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...225453,00.html

If there were intercepts of calls made to or from the US, wouldn't that amount to "information of plotting within" the US?

"The Guardian newspaper, citing unidentified British government sources, said after the first two arrests were made in Pakistan, a message was sent to Britain telling the plotters: ‘‘Do your attacks now.'' That message was intercepted and decoded earlier this week, The Guardian said.

A U.S. congressman briefed by intelligence officials, who did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the investigation, said U.S. intelligence had intercepted terrorist chatter."

http://www.herald-coaster.com/articl...ews/news01.txt

Where is there any indication in any source that intercepts were made of calls to or from the US?

That's also innaccurate. The Dems have no power to do anything in congress until November when they get the majority. At that time I hope they start forcing Bush and Ass to follow the law and go through FISA with their spying. They can spy on just as many terrorists legally as they do illegally.

By using the same logic as applied in the indiscriminate wire-tapping exercise, why don't we just lock every person up in jail, that way we're bound to have arrested all the rapists and robbers at loose in society. In a twisted, warped kind of way, it's the same thing.

You are comparing lack of privacy to being thrown in jail. So yes, it would have to be very twisted and very warped logic to conlude that they are the same thing.

[quote=jviehe] So how did that make my post inacurate? and you are also wrong. They (we )haven't given up, but their is nothing which can be done about it at least until after the 2006 elections. Then I think you will see a renewed interest in a lot of the wrongs this president has done.

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Since when? The safeguards I was speaking of are the REQUIREMENTS for informing, and requesting approval of certain Wiretaping either before or after the fact --but the president has refused to do so. I'm not going to go any further into that as it has been discussed over and over again in these threads.

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Thane, ever since that effort to get yu kicked of of an "Un-named" private forum( during which, if you recall,I was on your side) you have been getting weirder and wierder. and what you yourself have refered to your purposeful oddities, in your posting habits. Mqny of your posts make absolutely no sense, and as you know several people have so commented. so you should talk about someone else not knowing how to post. From the very beginning (while I have been here, you have seemed to delight in confusing people.

So in reality, the essence of your post "Entoto" comes under the heading,

"Kettle/Pot/Black.

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I would like to broaden the argument. I see no problem with the government listening to any call, internal or external. Same with data communications.

I would certainly have a problem with the government publishing calls for the fun of it, or arresting people for parking fines etc. gathered from that intelligence. But for murder, terrorism and other violent crimes I see no immediate issue.

I would go further to say that I would not mind them spying on people's homes without a warrant or reason, just trawling for criminals.

A couple of disclaimers:

- By 'government' here I really mean the police force. The investigating body would be a branch of the force.

- It would require another independant body to police the investigators, to ensure they aren't listening to their ex-wife's conversations etc..

- It would allow any citizen to opt out of all spying on them. Spying would need a warrant for these people. Any type of picking on opt-outs is obviously an imorral temptation and should be stricly monitored.

Please don't flame me too readily as I am sure there are many people who think this is a rediculous idea, and I certainly haven't thought it through beyond this post. But I am interested in analysing the pros and cons of such a system.

Thane, ever since that effort to get yu kicked of of an "Un-named" private forum( during which, if you recall,I was on your side) you have been getting weirder and wierder. and what you yourself have refered to your purposeful oddities, in your posting habits. Mqny of your posts make absolutely no sense, and as you know several people have so commented. so you should talk about someone else not knowing how to post. From the very beginning (while I have been here, you have seemed to delight in confusing people.

So in reality, the essence of your post "Entoto" comes under the heading,

"Kettle/Pot/Black.

I would ask what the hell you were talking about, but I don't think even you know.

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