Don't talk things you know nothing about and then don't go attacking peoplke who do. Corporatism in early 20th century Italy meant something different than it does today.

Monitor yo self.

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HAHAHAHA You think YOU have the right to dictate anything to ME...what a joke! Your ORDERS are worthless. It just so happens that I know exactly what I am talking about. Any perversion of the definition of the term coporation is purely just that....a perversion, and is not worth anything. As far as attacking you no one was attacking you.

Order yourself around, I don't take orders.

This is beyond belief. All I said was "corporation" meant something different at the time. You attacked me for historical revisionism and lying. I proved my assertion correct. And now I'm somehow giving you orders? Read the definition. You don't even know what the source of the dispute is, it would appear.

dharma4all used a quote by mussolini to show that fascism = the merger of corporate power and the state. I pointed out that corporation meant something different at the time, which you took exception too for some reason. Now you're just being petulant.

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From one of my other threads:

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Free Inquiry Magazine / Spring 2003

Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20.


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homo-sexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free _expression_ in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."
— John Wayne

Yes, another one for my friend:

On the road to Fascism
United States is taking on all the defining characteristics
Durango Herald -October 5, 2003
http://new.globalfreepress.com/arti...3/10/10/1832217
We believe that the United States of America is drifting towards its own version of fascism.
Fascism, whatever its particular national characteristics, is inherently a destruction of the "old order" of a country its laws, its culture, its internal politics and its international relations. Fascists govern within existing systems until parallel systems are in place. Once those systems are in position, the evolution from national populism to fascism is unstoppable. Fascist states are internally destructive. When they become externally destructive, they are destroyed from outside.
Characteristics of fascist states include:
Fascist countries project that they are in a permanent or long-term state of war. (Example: We are in an endless war on terrorism.) Fascist countries invade other countries without provocation. (Example: pre-emptive war against Iraq.) We tried the Germans at Nuremberg for exactly this offense.
As Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson, the chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Tribunal, said on Aug. 12, 1945: "We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. ... Our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."
Fascist countries violate their own treaties and international law. (Example: violation of the United Nations Charter by waging war against Iraq without UN approval.) Fascist countries lie to the general population, instilling fear and hysteria against mythological enemies, so they can go to war at will. (Examples: The 9-11 tragedy was used to generate hysteria through a massive government propaganda campaign based upon lies about Iraq; intimidation by color-coded terror warnings and provisions of the USA Patriot Act.)
Fascism is characterized by single-party rule, the destruction or transformation of the two-party system. (Examples: Colorado Gov. Bill Owens abolished the Colorado 2004 primary election; illegal attempts at redistricting driven by the White House; monetary corruption of the system resulting in voter apathy.)
Fascist governments demand unquestioning support otherwise you are a traitor. (Example: President Bush's statement, "You are either with us or against us.")
Fascist governments project an ideology that they are "right." (Example: President Bush, "I am right and I know I am right and history will prove me right.")
Fascist countries consolidate media control for propaganda purposes. (Example: Federal Communications Commission and corporate attempts at consolidation of the media.)
Fascism is characterized by legal parallelism. Fascist states create shadow agencies, shadow courts, separate prisons, thus destroying guaranteed constitutional rights. (Examples: Destruction of the guarantee of right to trial by jury; holding U.S. citizens without charge, without access to legal counsel and without the right to court appearance; intimidation of the judiciary by threats of blacklisting; intimidation of lawyers; degrading attorney-client privileges.)
Fascism is characterized by using torture, concentration camps and having major prison populations. (Examples: Guantanamo concentration camp; the FBI's description of how it "breaks" suspects with heat, cold, sound and sleep deprivation. The United States has the highest percentage of citizenry in prisons of any country in the world.)
Fascism is characterized by parallelism between the state and corporations. (Examples: Government and corporate overlap in certain industries oil, energy, military contractors and the media; massive corporate donations to both parties to assure connivance.)
Fascism, U.S. version, is characterized by the privatization of public services and the sell-off of public entities and resources for the benefit of the party faithful rather than the public at large. (Examples: Private profiteering on public services such as prisons, water, sewer, forest use, oil and gas; current order for appraisal of all post office buildings for contemplated sale.)
Fascism incorporates racism and attacks on the nondominant religion. (Examples: Imprisoning disproportionately one race for using a drug of choice other than that used by the dominant majority; Muslim profiling and harassment; denial of franchise to blacks under false pretenses in the Florida election.)
Fascism promotes conservative views of arts, literature, family culture, family planning and morals. (Examples: attacks on and decreased funding for National Public Radio, the Public Broadcasting System, the National Endowment for the Arts, any institution promoting family planning; school vouchers as the beginning of class-based private education and the destruction of the public education system; passing financial responsibility for Head Start to states that are near bankruptcy.)
Fascism takes religious symbolism and transfers the emotional and moral appeal to state symbols. (Examples: Aggressive and ostentatious God Bless America signs; the attempt to make the Pledge of Allegiance mandatory in Colorado schools; ostentatious flag waving and display; destruction of constitutional separation of church and state.)
We believe that the American tradition is in great peril.

Christine Eleanor Anderson, of Vallecito, is a businesswoman and a former law professor. Ross A. Worley is retired from Fort Lewis College. He lives in Durango. This was also signed by Jennifer Gehrman and Mark Seis, of Bayfield, and Greg Rossell, Charles Swift and Mary Lou Swift, of Durango.

And this I have also heard before: Der totale Krieg - american style!

"This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq, then we take a look around and see how things stand. This is entirely the wrong way to go about it... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . . our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
Richard Perle, about the war on terrorism

And last but not least, one more for my friend:

Some General Ideological Features
by Matthew N. Lyons
I am skeptical of efforts to produce a "definition" of fascism. As a dynamic historical current, fascism has taken many different forms, and has evolved dramatically in some ways. To understand what fascism has encompassed as a movement and a system of rule, we have to look at its historical context and development--as a form of counter-revolutionary politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response to rapid social upheaval, the devastation of World War I, and the Bolshevik Revolution. The following paragraphs are intented as an initial, open-ended sketch.
Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.
Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.
Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle and workers' internationalism as threats to national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power. Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.
Fascism has a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right. It is never a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, fascism defends capitalism against instability and the left, but also pursues an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways. There has been much cooperation, competition, and interaction between fascism and other sections of the right, producing various hybrid movements and regimes.

Matthew N. Lyons is an independent scholar and freelance writer who studies reactionary and supremacist movements. His articles have appeared in the Progressive and other periodicals. These paragraphs are adapted from Too Close for Comfort: Right Wing Populism, Scapegoating, and Fascist Potentials in US Politics (Boston: South End Press, 1996), which Lyons co-authored with Chip Berlet. © 1995, Matthew N. Lyons.

They got their crisis didn't they, and now we got to accept the new order:

"We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller - Statement to the United Nations Business Council, 1994

And last but not least some Mussolini for my friend:

Mussolini's Fascism.
This is a brief overview of what Fascism ment to Benito Mussolini as read in his Fundamental Ideals.

I. The State is one's life ["life is a struggle"] -

A. The Nation is bound together by individuals, who are bound together by moral law. The individual exists only for the betterment of the State. The State will outlast the individual, and therefore the individual must live to keep the State alive.

1. Anti-materialistic positivism of the 19th century.

2. Encourages the value of work, where everyone does their share to the peak of their ability.

3. One is responsible for one's life and it's responsibility to the State

4. Fascism is not only a system of government, but a system of THOUGHT.

B. Anti-Utopia

1. Fascism is a realist ideology, that knows that life is hard, preaches that one should know this fact, and do one's part for the State, regardless of difficulty.

C. Anti-Liberal

1. "The State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist much less have value" (Mussolini)

D. Anti-Socialist

1. Fascism is the trancendence of the class system, and does not believe that all classes should bleed together.

E. A Doctorine of Action

1. Fascist believe that inactivity is death, and a man must be ready to act to prove and defend his rights.

2. Demand respect internationally.

3. "Fascism, in short, is not just a law giver and founder of institutions, but a an educator and promoter of spiritual life."(Mussolini)

4. Anti-pacifist and high importance is placed upon family values.

F. Activism/Futurism/Nationalism

1. Mussolini argues that liberalism is cruler that any religious war through the carnage of WWI.

2. The Fascist ideology is stronger than law.

Did you ever notice that whenever there’s a conservative government our country is on the road to becoming a terrible evil inhumane fascism, but whenever there’s a liberal government our country is on the road to becoming a terrible evil inhumane communism?

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[B]Democracy is the wholesome and pure air without which a socialist public organization cannot live a full-blooded life.
~Mikhail Gorbachev [/B]

Ying and Yang?

As a matter of fact, I do not believe that there is too much difference between a democratic and a republican administration in Washington. - The trends that are being set are systemic and have begun longtime ago to perforate the minds of even intelligent people on both sides.

The greatest threat to revolution is the lure of consumption.
Herbert Marcuse

And if consumption to all cannot be safeguarded anymore, then we do need the "enemy", right?