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Old 07-05-2004, 05:54 AM
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Is the USA fascist? What a question!

Why the other day my brother disappeared over night. He was printing out Michael Moore texts on his computer. Someone turned him in, probably a neighbor who gets paid to spy by the secret police. I have no idea where they took my brother, or for how many years he'll be put away.
Under the Patriot Act this can happen.
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Old 07-06-2004, 09:19 AM
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This is beyond belief. All I said was "corporation" meant something different at the time. You attacked me for historical revisionism and lying. I proved my assertion correct. And now I'm somehow giving you orders? Read the definition. You don't even know what the source of the dispute is, it would appear.

dharma4all used a quote by mussolini to show that fascism = the merger of corporate power and the state. I pointed out that corporation meant something different at the time, which you took exception too for some reason. Now you're just being petulant.
Believe it my friend. Giving credit to a fascist perverting the deffinition of a term for their own political ambition is "LYING." This is the typical tactic of all conservatives and fascist. Plus you dictated that I just accept this perversion and also give credibility to such a ridiculous notion and you demanded that I do thgis via a direct order from you, THEN you made a stupid suggestion that because I did not accept the fascist perversion as truth that I did not know history! All are incredulous and not worthy as far as a reasonable disccussion or concideration.

"Corpration" has no resemblance to your OR Mussolini's perversion of the term. Those are the facts!
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:13 AM
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Believe it my friend. Giving credit to a fascist perverting the deffinition of a term for their own political ambition is "LYING." This is the typical tactic of all conservatives and fascist. Plus you dictated that I just accept this perversion and also give credibility to such a ridiculous notion and you demanded that I do thgis via a direct order from you, THEN you made a stupid suggestion that because I did not accept the fascist perversion as truth that I did not know history! All are incredulous and not worthy as far as a reasonable disccussion or concideration.

"Corpration" has no resemblance to your OR Mussolini's perversion of the term. Those are the facts!
What is so difficult about this concept: Mussolini meant something else by corporation? Granted, corporation means something different now but if you said "corporatism" to an Italian circa 1922 they would understand it differently. Words change and mean different things for different people. For instance, "Liberal", which you and I proudly claim to be, meant in the past someone who believed in laissez faire free markets and a lot of things we would consider "conservative". In fact, over seas it means just that still. Many of Margaret Thatcher's policies were "liberal" according to the Brits. I don't understand how putting things in historical context makes me a fascist or reactionary. It boggles the mind! I was merely responding to the quote that dharma4all used to prove that fascism was simply a combination of corporate power and the state. Can someone please help me?
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:29 AM
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Under the Patriot Act this can happen.
Good point. And the Patriot Acts is a law, as opposed to the whim of a dictator and can be struck down or altered.
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:57 AM
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What is so difficult about this concept: Mussolini meant something else by corporation? Granted, corporation means something different now but if you said "corporatism" to an Italian circa 1922 they would understand it differently. Words change and mean different things for different people. For instance, "Liberal", which you and I proudly claim to be, meant in the past someone who believed in laissez faire free markets and a lot of things we would consider "conservative". In fact, over seas it means just that still. Many of Margaret Thatcher's policies were "liberal" according to the Brits. I don't understand how putting things in historical context makes me a fascist or reactionary. It boggles the mind! I was merely responding to the quote that dharma4all used to prove that fascism was simply a combination of corporate power and the state. Can someone please help me?
I suppose you do not find it worthy to comment on my previous posts? - Says a lot to me.

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Old 07-06-2004, 11:16 AM
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I suppose you do not find it worthy to comment on my previous posts? - Says a lot to me.

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Sorry, dharma. I've been distracted by this nonsense. I'll post some stuff about them as soon as I get a hold of the materials I need.
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:33 AM
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Sorry, dharma. I've been distracted by this nonsense. I'll post some stuff about them as soon as I get a hold of the materials I need.
Well, at least I hope you are referring to my nonsense.
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:38 AM
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Well, at least I hope you are referring to my nonsense.
No. I was referring to bashing my head up against the wall trying to talk sense into liberal4. You're posts are the nonsense that I'm going to address shortly. I'm sorry If I neglected you.
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:40 AM
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No. I was referring to bashing my head up against the wall trying to talk sense into liberal4. You're posts are the nonsense that I'm going to address shortly. I'm sorry If I neglected you.

Yes, I felt neglected.
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Old 07-06-2004, 12:38 PM
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What is so difficult about this concept: Mussolini meant something else by corporation? Granted, corporation means something different now but if you said "corporatism" to an Italian circa 1922 they would understand it differently. Words change and mean different things for different people. For instance, "Liberal", which you and I proudly claim to be, meant in the past someone who believed in laissez faire free markets and a lot of things we would consider "conservative". In fact, over seas it means just that still. Many of Margaret Thatcher's policies were "liberal" according to the Brits. I don't understand how putting things in historical context makes me a fascist or reactionary. It boggles the mind! I was merely responding to the quote that dharma4all used to prove that fascism was simply a combination of corporate power and the state. Can someone please help me?
There is NOTHING difficult about that concept. It is so blantly transparent even YOU should understand that Mussolini misused the term for his own means. Thatcher was never considered "Liberal" in her actions or self deffinition. That is a flat out lie. As a matter of fact, during her reign of terror, it was a common statement made by Brits, that Thatcher was the most fascist of her day. They considered her the British Nixon.
 

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