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Bullshit · #21 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

As if America can make them stop fighting each other?

As if you could make two people stop fighting each other?

threatening the immediate cut off the 3 billion in aid, stopping the additional 1.5 billion in tax decductable donations from the US , and refusal to let congress keep forgiving israels loans. and don't forget that the money the US gives israel has to be borrowed so the US must also pay interest on that money. and all of this for a country with a per capita income of $24,600, (four time that of lebanons $6,200) http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/18/dob...y19/index.html

i'd say that would get at least one side to stop fighting pretty quickly.

moon · #22 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:28 AM

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Perhaps, but this particular cherry-picked timeline is of no importance at all, unless one believes that the entire Israel / Palestine issue started in January.

Moon presents a highly biased viewpoint that uses every trick in the book to justify, exonerate and excuse the atrocities committed by Palestine.

Matt

By nailing the timeline to the mast I've assured that those who would attempt to warp and misrepresent the unfolding of events will have a very difficult time of it.
Take your own pro-Zionist interjection, for example. Whereabouts should 'atrocities committed by the Palestinans' appear in the timeline between the American/Israeli economic terrorism imposed upon Palestine by these enraged States and the beginning of the Zionists collective punishment of the Palestinians ? Quite clearly, nowhere at all. There were no such atrocities. The only Hamas action at all during this period was a military action against Zionist military precipitated by the Zionist shelling slaughter.

Now I suppose you will want to drone on about the 'rocket atrocities' which didn't kill anybody. Then you will want to say that the Zionists' reaction to the 'rocket atrocities' which didn't actually kill anybody were proportionate.

It's about there that it becomes clear, yet again, that you're merely disseminating Zionist propaganda. Lol.

The timeline isn't 'cherry picked' at all and it wasn't me who produced it. I added the 'bold' for the American failures to intervene.

Andrewl · #23 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

But can you tell me why it went wrong?

Yes, it was based on lies, they ignored regional and cultural experts who warned of the aftermath; and on top of all that they did not listen to the armed forces reccomendations, they listened to civilians in the pentagon with delusional fantasies.

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Did America make it wrong or did some fanatical locals sabotage it and make it wrong for their own non-democratic, thuggish agenda?

But that is to be expected when you invade a nation, what idiot would expect anything less. And there is thuggery and corruption, fanaticism and selfish objectives. Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, and Americans all display these qualities in Iraq no one group is innocent or to be trusted.

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I can see who is doing all the killing in Iraq and blowing everything up, and it is not Americans.

Americans are the destabilizing factor in the region in general, and in Iraq in particular. These people hate american policy and they are entirely right to do so, and entirely justified in fighting against it. I would, so I cant expect anything different from them. To them america does little but murder and steal in this region, truth or not, that is the perception.

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Yes I agree America should not be there and Bush fucked up. So what now? Are they going to destroy themselves to spite one man or one nation?

Sounds rather juvenile and stupid to me.

Who knows. Its a myth that america can stop this civil war, and historically local insurgencies are impossible to combat. Just ask Israel.

The tragedy is that there is no way out. America can leave and that might stop the insurgency and it might make AQ less relevent, but the civil war will go on. This is what happens when you take everything away from one group and give it to the other.

There is nothing america can do anymore except watch, stay and get killed and watch your marines increasingly massacre civilians who hate them; or you can leave and let the Iraqis decide for themselves, however bloody that may be. Im just not under the illusion that americas military is a force for good. It is a force of violence, hatred, and evil. (not because of the men and women that are in it, but because of the men and women who deploy it).

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Maybe can you explain to me why Japan and Germany are such successful nations now after US occupation. Did America make them learn english, stop practicing their local traditions and culture? Did America reshape them in it's image? How are they doing now?

Different history. Different people. Different circumstances. Different story. No comparison.

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You are lucky that you live in Canada and you get all the benefits of being an American with none of the detriments.

Agreed. The closer you live to america and the closer you mirror their society, the less likely you are to be a victim of their foreign policy.

Andrew

moon · #24 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 01:39 PM

Timeline addition;

July 22nd; U.S. rushes precision-guided bombs to Israel

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/741392.html

BigElephant08 · #25 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I suggest that the timeline is laid out for the current catastrophe. This will save a lot of fruitless exchanges in future, between people who have completely different ideas as to how and when this recent conflict began.

This is the timeline as laid out by 'The Guardian' newspaper;

Added 16 July- US vetoes call for ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-23109,00.html

supporting terrorism eh? good for you, now why dont you go sell some crack to some kidds still in grade school

BigElephant08 · #26 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Muslim

believe me if israel get out of the Westbank and gaza and remove the illegal setlments the next day hamas and hizballa will be disarmed and all the arab states will have normal relations with israel, but as long as israel kill civilians al stael lands the hamas and hizballa will keep on finding support which keep them alive

many popular fundamilist jewish parties in israel call for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs

are you crazy you and your rag head friends have been oppresing the isrealis ever since they came from egypt, i mean isnt the islamic religion against violance????

moon · #27 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 03:11 PM

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supporting terrorism eh? good for you, now why dont you go sell some crack to some kidds still in grade school

It's the Zionists who terrorise. When they're not terrorising they're indoctrinating vicious racists.

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you and your rag head friends

BigElephant08 · #28 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 03:13 PM

how are the jews terrorising??? tell me, its looks like your mad because they finally grew some balls and are stepping up to your bull shit

moon · #29 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 03:20 PM

Nobody mentioned jews, only you in your failure to differentiate.

You have your head deep into the barrel of ethnic prejudice and you are gorging at its bottom.

Goddess · #30 (**permalink**) 07-22-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

I agree that it is important to look at the entire history. And I just read a long but refreshingly honest and clear debate between Shlomo Ben Ami (formerly Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister) and Norman Finklestein.

Check it out: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/art...p?pg=11&ar=140

I came away better informed.

But I would add that the reason i think this particular timeline is important to know is because in my daily conversations with people (not here, but the physical people around me) i am shocked at how many people think hezbollah started firing rockets at Israel before Israel started their attack. Most of them are confused that this was in response to the kidnapping.

Andrew

But Hezbollah did fire rockets before Israel responded. (Besides killing a few Israeli soldiers guarding the international border and abducting two.)

And I'm not quoting Faux, this is from the NY Times:

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Today’s fighting erupted around 9 a.m. when Hezbollah attacked several northwestern Israeli towns with rocket fire, injuring several civilians, the Israeli military said. Israeli civilians rushed into their bomb shelters and many remained there throughout the day.

But that attack was a diversion for the main operation, several miles to the east, where Hezbollah militants fired anti-tank missiles on two armored vehicles patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence, the military said.

Of the seven soldiers in the two vehicles, three were killed, two were wounded and two were abducted, the military said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/world/middleeast/12cnd-mideast.html?ex=1153713600&en=af9bc78b8017009d&ei= 5070

Plus I'm pretty sure there have been many rocket attacks by Hezbollah over the passed 6 years since Israel withdrew from Lebanon.

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