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Old 08-13-2006, 10:30 AM
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Is this smoke real or has some IOF Photoshop technician been playing with it ?



Hezbollah unleashes massive rocket barrage
http://www.haaretz.com/
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Old 08-13-2006, 12:02 PM
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Moonie you still haven't told us what "larf" means. If it is some kind of monn based insult perhaps you should let us know so it strikes home. After all if no one knows what it means it is pretty useless as an insult.
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Old 08-13-2006, 01:32 PM
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Is this smoke real or has some IOF Photoshop technician been playing with it ?


Real, and I hope some of your Hezbollah buddies perished in it...


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Old 08-13-2006, 01:55 PM
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Real, and I hope some of your Hezbollah buddies perished in it...


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Old 08-13-2006, 04:16 PM
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:31 PM
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When Im wrong i admit it. When undeniable facts are put in my face I have eyes.

Why do some people think they have credibility when facts in their face show them wrong ?

People are so blinded by partisanship it amazes me.

The right wing KABAL is upon us run ......

The lefties in this thread seem to not admit what they see or spin to it doesnt change that facts.

Amazes me .
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:36 PM
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Real, and I hope some of your Hezbollah buddies perished in it...


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Unlikely. It's Haifa.

However, your error is classic confirmation of Zionist brutality.
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:49 AM
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Anyway, I suppose budding would be the wrong word – “Westernized” may be more accurate, and I think that is what I read. I believe it was a Lebanese woman describing a strengthening economy and a recovery of culture after so much fighting.
A little more difficult to miss than a general rhetorical point, too. But I wanted to make a point of how it could be easy to mistake your argument for a simplification, that really wouldn't have to be drawn up because of less than good intentions either.

(And I guess I'm wondering if there really are other ways to end up sympathizing with the neocons.)
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As for my sentiments being those of a neoconservative; I don’t know much on the agenda of that ideology, but I do not support and feel I never can support imperialism. From what I have learned of American neoconservatives, they seem to be, essentially, fascists – they believe might is right, that a “projection of force” for our country’s “interests” is entirely justified. I certainly don’t subscribe to that, so chalk that up as one difference.
But what is the difference between keeping your interests intact, and believing a projection of force is necessary to maintain these interests? Is it something about the methods used? Or is it intent? Spoken policy? Something else?
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The reason I ask is because the mainstream news is not the most reliable source of information, in my opinion. I was just curious which ones you find more trustworthy.
I don't know. I try to find out what journalists write actual journalism, instead of briefs of edited opinions and statements... Maybe find out who writes about what they can't cover, instead of covering up that they don't have access to everything, and it's probably someone not that likely to insert official unofficial statements as their own words.. and things like that.
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This is what you thought I was arguing?
Well, no.. but you could've been.
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I don’t mean to say that any alteration allows an individual to completely ignore important information. I was just saying that since the possibility of manipulation exists, that one has to approach media with skepticism – skepticism, of course, doesn’t necessarily involve ignoring unwanted information; that is, by definition, ignorance, not skepticism.
I suppose so - but you can ignore information because you know it's bullshit, too.
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I’m not sure I follow. I agree about the fundamental difference you describe, but what do you believe the “practical difference” to be?
Subjective. An image rarely looks exactly as you see it with your eye, anyway.
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In your example, I would say that the character and reputation of the journalist should be taken into consideration, but that such things should not trump “anything else.” If there is enough evidence – from authorities on the matter, such as photo editors and graphic artists – evidence pointing to unlawful and/or immoral manipulation of an image’s content, then the journalist doesn’t have many cards to play, good reputation or not. Do you agree?
Sure. And that's the opposite of the argument I described. This does not suggest how intent and reputation should influence what facts say.
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