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Old 08-13-2006, 08:10 AM
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And Israeis could care less about Arab lives, so 2 wrongs don't make right. And also Israel seems to build some of their military installations in the vincinity of Arab-Israeli towns. This was stated by a member of the Israeli parliment on CNN. So I guess two can play the game. During the American Civil War, Southerners in Vicksburg kept civilians in the center of town with the hope that the North would shell them from the high ground. My point is it is done in every war by someone. A fact to livewith!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:28 AM
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And Israeis could care less about Arab lives, so 2 wrongs don't make right.

Absolutely untrue. And I implore you to prove this statement. The fact is that Israel goes to great lengths to target firing sites for Hezbollah rockets. That the Hezi's purposely use civilian cites to fire these rockets is deplorable.

Meanwhile, the Hezi attacks are indiscriminate in their targeting, and purposely aimed at Israelli population centers, and NOT military.


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And also Israel seems to build some of their military installations in the vincinity of Arab-Israeli towns. This was stated by a member of the Israeli parliment on CNN.

As with most military installations, towns are nearby, but Israelli military does NOT take over homes of their civilians to launch missles into Lebanon. So your quote of:

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So I guess two can play the game.
Is soooooo wrong, and misguided I don't even know where to begin.


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During the American Civil War, Southerners in Vicksburg kept civilians in the center of town with the hope that the North would shell them from the high ground.

Wrong again. Populations were kept in the center of towns to protect them from invasion, NOT to label them with bullseyes in the hopes that they'd be killed....Where did you learn your history from?





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My point is it is done in every war by someone. A fact to livewith!!!!!!!!!

Is this supposed to excuse the Hezi's role of hiding among the civilian population like pussies? You sir are an apologist for terrorist. IMO.


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Old 08-13-2006, 08:32 AM
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Is this supposed to excuse the Hezi's role of hiding among the civilian population like pussies
Quit the fool talk, j-mac. Your 'pussies' just withstood the world's fourth most powerful military.

Maybe the US should tax its citizens a bit more and send Olmert some more fancy stuff.
Oh no, he might sell it to the Chinese. Right.
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:37 AM
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Quit the fool talk, j-mac. Your 'pussies' just withstood the world's fourth most powerful military.

Not so fast there sympathizer.....it ain't over by a long shot.....



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Maybe the US should tax its citizens a bit more and send Olmert some more fancy stuff.
Oh no, he might sell it to the Chinese. Right.

Why? Is Clinton comming into power there?


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Old 08-13-2006, 09:40 AM
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I don't understand your point.
Facts are facts, and they do not choose sides.

Fact 1 - Hezbollah fires rockets from populated areas
Fact 2 - This creates a MAJOR hazard to those citizens if/when there is return fire.
Fact 3 - Hezbollah whether pourposely or not gets considerable political support from the world when those citizen deaths are broadcasted 500 times by world media.
Fact 4 - This certainly encourages people not concerened about citizen death to continue the practice because of that VERY important support.


What is your beef?
Fact 3 is completely wrong. People didn't support the Hezbollah, but the Lebanese people.
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:44 AM
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General Pershing did something that if done in today’s war could possibly put an end to some things.

One important thing to remember is that Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won’t even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.

Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks against the United States and it’s interests by, you guessed it, Muslim extremists.

So General Pershing captured 50 of the terrorists and had them tied to posts execution style. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.

The soldiers then soaked their bullets in pigs blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad.

The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist’s bodies and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc.

They let the 50th man go. And for about the next 42 years, there was not a single attack by a muslim fanatic anywhere in the world.

source http://www.soldierlife.com/2006/06/2...jack-pershing/

Read the comments too, you'll like them!
-_- I'm amazed, chassisman -_-
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:59 AM
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Not so fast there sympathizer.....it ain't over by a long shot.....
Lol. Don't paint me with Zionist colours. I don't think that arrogance is a Hizb'allah trait. It's a Zionist trait. Or was, anyway.
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:59 AM
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Hezbollah fighters hiding heavy weapons in the residential areas of southern Lebanon.

What I don't understand is how some people can still defend Hezbollah's tactics when we know that they endanger civilians on purpose. Hiding behind the very civilians they claim to be defending. Talk about hypocrisy!
Apparently the civilians do not mind, they support Hezbollah in great numbers, and have increased their anger towards Israel.

What i dont understand is how people can continue to support Israel, their unthinking actions have caused a huge increase in support for hezbollah throughout the region, it has made the security situation of Israelis worse than it has been in years, and the polls taken in lebanon show an increasing sentiment for the destruction of Israel. How anybody can be so stupid as to think a military solution is possible, is practical, or can have any effect other than negative is completely insane.

Talk about human shields and hiding behind civilians??? What do you think Israeli settlements in Gaza, West Bank, and the Golan heights are for?
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I'm sure people have talked about this already, but I felt it was important to start a thread dealing with Hezbollah tactics since it is an important aspect of this conflict.
Sure go ahead. But any guerilla war is going to follow this same path. And any resistance that does not have planes, tanks, and standing armies will fight from the shadows, and if the people support the resistance, the resistance will always win. All peoples in all nations would do the same thing in the same circumstances.


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I'm as shocked as anyone when I see civilian casualties (on both sides), but I can't help but notice that Hezbollah is actively trying to increase the number of civilian casualties. They should stop hiding behind their wives' and their sisters' skirts!
Its still the choice of Israel to blow up a building. And they are not achieving anything by such destruction, except revealing their total disregard for human life. Wchich makes them the moral equivalent of groups like Hezbollah.

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Old 08-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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Wchich makes them the moral equivalent of groups like Hezbollah.
They will never be the 'moral equivalent' of Hizb'allah.
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Old 08-13-2006, 10:15 AM
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They will never be the 'moral equivalent' of Hizb'allah.
Moon,

Hezbollah is using the same indiscriminate tactics that western armies use by launching explosives into civilian areas. From my vantage point all sides who take up arms in a conflict that cannot be solved by military means, which in fact will only make matters worse, is on the same low rungs of the ladder of morality.

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