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Old 08-12-2006, 12:12 PM
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Default Strategy Session . . . Let's Solve This Thing

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My Planning Map: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middl...n_pol_2002.jpg

** Let's utilize a smaller force in order to eliminate civilian casualties

My Force

-- Eight Battalions of Airborne Infantry (approx: 4100 troops)
-- Eight Companies of Army Rangers (approx: 1216)
-- Sixteen ODA (Special Forces) detachments
-- 27th Engineer Battalion (Airborne)

1. Deploy two ODA (green beret teams) into Naqoura...Rmaich...Tyre...Alma...Ansar...Ez Zharani...Nabatiye...Jezzine.

A. Order them to contact local leaders, police and medical infrastructure.

B. Organize and escort a refugee evacuation to the north . . . Destination Beirut . . . med facilities there are extremely modern . . . but have WHO and Red Cross ready and waiting to receive refugees.

C. ODAs remain with refugees to guard them and team medical sgts diagnose and treat casualties as needed . . . there'll be lots of heat exhaustion and dehydration (kids especially).

2. Deploy one Battalion of Airborne Infantry mated with one platoon of combat engineers to the following locals: Qiryat Shimona...Nahariyya...Tyre...Sidon...Ansar...Jezzi ne . . . keep two battalions for reserve and support.

A. Divide Battalions into companies. Deploy them north and south with goal of forming DMZ lines East to West from Damour to Anjar in the North, and Nahariyya to Gadot in the south.

B. Use Ranger companies as needed to support regular airborne infantry...to crack toughest targets...to rescue trapped civilians...to strike missile and artillery sites on both sides if they do not ceasefire.

C. Use combat engineers to deal with minefields and unexploded ordinance in and around towns . . . make playgrounds safe for kiddos in lebanon when refugee families return home . . . and safe for relief organisation personnel.

D. If Israel and Hizbollah persist hostilities...utilize SAT thermal imaging to pinpoint rogues, hunt and detain them.

E. Once DMZ is secured escort in WHO and Red Cross as well as others. Bring in Envoys and begin reconstruction.


Please contribute you ideas for solution of this terrible conflict.
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:37 PM
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Problems:
Despite the fact that this task force is sent to help, they will encounter fire, strikes and suspicion, maybe mined ambushes and traps.
Assaults against the task force could easily spark stiff resistance, because these troops could/would repell many, if not all minor attacks. Problems would occur when helped would see dead countrymen, killed by forgein forces on their home soil.
Many would call it an invasion and an attempt to annex their home, and deathtoll would slowly climb upwards, despite the fact that your forces tried to prevent that.
Slowly this hand of help is seen as invasion and your forces face up an entire angry nation. Civilians take upon arms and task force has to fight both militia and miliatary. After a while you have to retreat, coastal freeway allowes quick move of your troops to the extraction areas and lands are even more hazardous than before. In addition Israeli will use this event and push even further to create safezone.

I really would not want that kind of events, but hoping for the best does not mean that you do not look at the worst.
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:49 PM
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I'm just a naive peace lover, so this might sound stupid to the war experts, but can't we just get Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and US President George Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair along with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Syria's Bashar al-Assad to would come and fucking sit them down and keep them there till they work this bullshit out? Why do more people have to die because the leaders of these countries like to blow shit up?
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:50 PM
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http://the-lebanon.com/lebanon_country/map/lebanon.jpg

http://the-lebanon.com/lebanon_count...n_rel_2000.jpg

I had found a much more detailed map/directory of South Lebanon (5+MBs) but my fucking Opera internet browser crashed . Now I cant find it.

Xaxier, look at the topography of the region. How are you going to make any impact with so few troops?

Apparently Israel has sent 30,000 troops in and they are still not taking control of an area smaller than you describe. Lebanon is/was densely populated mountainous terrain.

I think there is alot of diplomatic work to do before anything like this can even be considered. Also where are you going to stage this operation from?
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:01 PM
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I'm just a naive peace lover, so this might sound stupid to the war experts, but can't we just get Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and US President George Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair along with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Syria's Bashar al-Assad to would come and fucking sit them down and keep them there till they work this bullshit out? Why do more people have to die because the leaders of these countries like to blow shit up?
Great Idea . . . we could grab them and make them eat ice cream cones in the same room

If only we could all get together with Blair and Bush . . . they love seclusion . . . not cool.
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hairballxavier
http://the-lebanon.com/lebanon_country/map/lebanon.jpg

http://the-lebanon.com/lebanon_count...n_rel_2000.jpg

I had found a much more detailed map/directory of South Lebanon (5+MBs) but my fucking Opera internet browser crashed . Now I cant find it.

Xaxier, look at the topography of the region. How are you going to make any impact with so few troops?

Apparently Israel has sent 30,000 troops in and they are still not taking control of an area smaller than you describe. Lebanon is/was densely populated mountainous terrain.

I think there is alot of diplomatic work to do before anything like this can even be considered. Also where are you going to stage this operation from?

Rapid movement . . . terrain works for and against both sides . . . I'd need Topo Maps and isometries from -1000 to 12000 ft of the region (cubic).

Stage operation from Vincenza Italy!
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There is life . . . our people are dead

Continued oppression . . . political dread

Where was my savior . . . when I bled?

Ponga el cuchillo en mi corazon
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:04 PM
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Problems:
Despite the fact that this task force is sent to help, they will encounter fire, strikes and suspicion, maybe mined ambushes and traps.
Assaults against the task force could easily spark stiff resistance, because these troops could/would repell many, if not all minor attacks. Problems would occur when helped would see dead countrymen, killed by forgein forces on their home soil.
Many would call it an invasion and an attempt to annex their home, and deathtoll would slowly climb upwards, despite the fact that your forces tried to prevent that.
Slowly this hand of help is seen as invasion and your forces face up an entire angry nation. Civilians take upon arms and task force has to fight both militia and miliatary. After a while you have to retreat, coastal freeway allowes quick move of your troops to the extraction areas and lands are even more hazardous than before. In addition Israeli will use this event and push even further to create safezone.

I really would not want that kind of events, but hoping for the best does not mean that you do not look at the worst.
Murphy's Law . . . but the U.S. Did as it pleased in Iraq . . . no one intervened. This has to stop . . . now.
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There is no war . . . but our blood is shed

There is life . . . our people are dead

Continued oppression . . . political dread

Where was my savior . . . when I bled?

Ponga el cuchillo en mi corazon
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:06 PM
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There is no sensible military solution to "solve that thing".
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:10 PM
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There is no sensible military solution to "solve that thing".

You cannot negotiate with a hungy lion aka men who want to kill each other so bad they aim assault rifles at you when you try to negotiate with them. Sorry . . . reality of the situation is . . . fire must be used to put out this fire. I like it less than most do . . . no other way
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There is life . . . our people are dead

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Ponga el cuchillo en mi corazon
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:14 PM
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Murphy's Law . . . but the U.S. Did as it pleased in Iraq . . . no one intervened. This has to stop . . . now.
And look what it led to. Civil war and countless dead, your nation looses vast amounts of money by the day, and peace is far out of reach. In fact, war just seems to gather more fire there.
Things are badly in there, but you can't always help, and certainly not with weapons.
 

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