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Old 08-13-2006, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: SURPRISE...Lebanon already faltering on UN cease fire.

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I believe the world did try. However, the world was thwarted by stalwart and unquestioning American support of Israel. Kofi Annan called for an immediate end to attacks by Israel and Condi rushed into Israel's defense. I believe that occurred about two weeks ago.

The UN fails due to the crappy foreign policies of its most influential members (including the United States).


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You can't produce a "cease fire" unless BOTH parties agree to it. What? Did you really expect Isreal to stop defending themselves, while on average, 180 missles per day were being launched from Hezbollah?
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History of the sucess of the UN ...

(crickets)
Well from a conservative's perspective how about the Korean War (fought by UN forces) and the 1991 Operation Desert Storm? What about the UN calling on Iran to stop its nuclear program? Would it be better if we went alone on that?

I believe that a wide range of countries has also called on North Korea to stop its missile tests. I would actually be inclined to believe that the UN helps the United States. If the US withdrew from the UN, then that would be great news to countries like France, Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran and North Korea. Just makes us look extremely arrogant, aggressive and unreasonable.


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Old 08-13-2006, 08:42 PM
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You can't produce a "cease fire" unless BOTH parties agree to it. What? Did you really expect Isreal to stop defending themselves, while on average, 180 missles per day were being launched from Hezbollah?
The launching of that volume of rockets is in response to Israel's pre-planned invasion of Lebanon, and attack on Lebanon's civilian infrastructure.


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Old 08-13-2006, 08:42 PM
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Check the timeline. America blocked a ceasefire on the 13th,16th, and 28th of July.
The United States never blocked a ceasefire. Both parties have to agree to a cease fire for it to be effective. The only reason Lebanon has backed out, is that the resolution called for complete dis-armanment of Hezbollah.

There are too many Hezbollah supporters within the government of Lebanon. Sure, they want Isreal out. But, they're not willing to agree to the terms of the resolution, as promised they would do by the President of Lebanon. So, my guess is, that they would prefer war at the expense of more civilian casualties, more destruction, than to give up their sacred terrorist organization Hezbollah.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:45 PM
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...the last 10 years the U.N. has sat and watched Hezbollah gain influence and more importantly in the last 2 years build up both offensive and defensive weaponry and systems right up to the Isreali border.
I agree, Hezballah should not have even been an independent military force, but that's not the UN's fault. The fault goes mainly against the Lebanese government, who, if it had done its job back in 2000 when the Israelis withdrew, there might not have been a war today, but US policy back then was to keep supporting the Lebanese government who were too scared to call for a Syrian withdrawl from Lebanon, and then the rest is recent history. But if the US had pushed for the government do its job back then, the Syrians would have been out, and Hezballah and the rest of the armed group would have been part of the army, and that would have given them more time and space to figure out the Palestinian problem among others.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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The only reason Lebanon has backed out, is that the resolution called for complete dis-armanment of Hezbollah
...and because the Israeli military is still violating Lebanese sovereignty.

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There are too many Hezbollah supporters within the government of Lebanon
Hezballah has 2 ministers in the government, and essentially 3 supporters. The rest belong to one current political group.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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The launching of that volume of rockets is in response to Israel's pre-planned invasion of Lebanon, and attack on Lebanon's civilian infrastructure.


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B.S--this started when Hezbollah went into Isreal's territory, killed 8 soldiers & kidnapped two others. Hezbollah was the first to fire rockets into Isreal, not the other way around. "pre-planned" invasion, give me a break!

You need to do a little recent history. Even Kofi Anan in his address, stated that Hezbollah made an UNPROVOCTED attack on Isreal. They are the instigators of all this violence & are accountable for all the civilian deaths on both sides of the border. Don't try & rewrite history.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: SURPRISE...Lebanon already faltering on UN cease fire.

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The United States never blocked a ceasefire. Both parties have to agree to a cease fire for it to be effective.
You're mistaken.

The US blocked calls for a ceasefire, a draft resolution for a ceasefire and then a ceasefire resolution itself.

Aren't you aware of what your own government has contributed to this carnage ?

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B.S--this started when Hezbollah went into Isreal's territory
Mistaken again. It started when Hamas was democratically elected.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:52 PM
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...and because the Israeli military is still violating Lebanese sovereignty.



Hezballah has 2 ministers in the government, and essentially 3 supporters. The rest belong to one current political group.

Geese--do you people ever watch ANY news stations? The only reason Isreal is in Lebanon is to oust the Hezbollah who are capable of launching missles into Isreal terrority.

The most recent resolution, in which ISREAL agreed to, was to exit Lebanon ENTIRELY when there are forces in the south that can protect Isreal from attacks from missles.

Isreal left Lebanon SIX years ago.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: SURPRISE...Lebanon already faltering on UN cease fire.

Du Bois

I didnt say the Un is useless it gets people to the table. that is what I see as its only modern Viable thing.

The Un doesnt do anything. What have they done now to stop North Korea. They took a vote and condemed it. AND the north koreans stormed out of the meeting within 45 mins I recall ?

This emboldened Iran to snubb off the Un now also.

Darfur, soldiers raping girls sex blah blah the litany goes on im sure we dont need rehash that.

That being said I think the mideast conflict is 1000 times trickier then the other ones mentioned above do to so many shadow players. I think in honesty Israel and Hezzbolah both dont want peace yet. Once one starts losing to much they will want it then and only then.

Hezzbolah is so emboldened right now they are more powerful then ever their morale must be so triumphant as they held off the most powerful military in the region and lasted longer then any other military against them in 60 years.

They know they will eventually get cash resupplied. Shoot what they have now so recruiting and islamic hatred of israel is spurned more.

Israel doesnt want to stop because all they have accomplished was lose a pr war and 0 else they didnt disarm or destroy any capability of Hezzbolah they didnt get prisoners back they got 0 and they got world sentiment saying they are the agressors and over doing it.

Yet they never started this.
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