SURPRISE...Lebanon already faltering on UN cease fire. - Page 3 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum Archives

Zeke · #21 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 08:57 PM

I believe that this resolution can be implemented, but it takes a lot more negotiations within Lebanon, and shouldn't involve Israel, the US, or the UN. Hezballah is now forced to the negotiate, as they were before the war, but the government was incompetent and impatient. Now, more pressure is being put on Hezballah, so the time is ripe to figure out a solution taking into consideration the Israeli military withdraws.

WPK · #22 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

You're mistaken.

The US blocked calls for a ceasefire, a draft resolution for a ceasefire and then a ceasefire resolution itself.

Aren't you aware of what your own government has contributed to this carnage ?

You cannot have a cease fire until both parties agree to it. Getting Isreal to agree to a cease fire, without Hezbollah & Lebanon on board to the cease fire is useless.

The United States & -France worked on a resolution that would have a sustainable peace in Lebanon, if Lebanon & Isreal would agree to it. So far, Isreal has agreed to it, & your throwing your support to Lebanon which will not agree to it. DUh!

Now how do you defend Lebanon for not agreeing to this resolution?

W.E.B. Du Bois · #23 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WPK

B.S--this started when Hezbollah went into Isreal's territory, killed 8 soldiers & kidnapped two others. Hezbollah was the first to fire rockets into Isreal, not the other way around. "pre-planned" invasion, give me a break!

BS only from you as always, dear WPK. Yes, I already said that Hezbollah launched rockets first, but you said 180 rockets, I claimed it was a few. Care to back up your claim? Two soldiers were initially kidnapped, as I also stated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...nflict#July_12

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# Hezbollah launches Katyusha rockets across the Lebanese border with Israel as a diversionary tactic, targeting the town of Shlomi and outposts in the Shebaa Farms area in the Lebanon. Hezbollah claims its objective is to free 10,000 Arabs captured by Israel .[1]
# Hezbollah's military wing staged a cross-border attack in northern Israel on two Israeli Humvees. Three Israeli soldiers were killed and two were kidnapped, with several civilians deliberately injured. "Fulfilling its pledge to liberate the Arab prisoners and detainees, the Islamic Resistance... captured two Israeli soldiers (Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev) at the border with occupied Palestine," Hezbollah said in a statement.[2]

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You need to do a little recent history. Even Kofi Anan in his address, stated that Hezbollah made an UNPROVOCTED attack on Isreal. They are the instigators of all this violence & are accountable for all the civilian deaths on both sides of the border. Don't try & rewrite history.

Nope, your ignorance and one-sided account of history is showing through again.

Kofi Annan called for an "immediate cessation of all hostilities more than two weeks ago, like I said.

Source

You either omit or are ignorant of his remarks on Israel's use of disproportionate force:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072000912.html

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ANNAN: Both the deliberate targeting by Hezbollah of Israeli population centers with hundreds of indiscriminate weapons and Israel's disproportionate use of force and collective punishment of the Lebanese people must stop.

Again, Israel was looking for an opportunity to make an attack of this scale. The iniative for the scale of this war is theirs, not Irans or Hezbollahs.

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moon · #24 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 08:59 PM

Miscreantgnomie ;

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Yet they never started this.

Are you kidding ? They fired over 8000 rounds into Gaza, they slaughtered a family outing on a beach, they cut off Palestine from finances and food and then they invaded and desolated Gaza on the pretext of looking for a captured soldier.
They didn't start it ? They are OCCUPYING someone else's country.

WPK · #25 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

I believe that this resolution can be implemented, but it takes a lot more negotiations within Lebanon, and shouldn't involve Israel, the US, or the UN. Hezballah is now forced to the negotiate, as they were before the war, but the government was incompetent and impatient. Now, more pressure is being put on Hezballah, so the time is ripe to figure out a solution taking into consideration the Israeli military withdraws.

It has to involve ISREAL. Isreal is one of the combatants.

W.E.B. Du Bois · #26 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:06 PM

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Du Bois

I didnt say the Un is useless it gets people to the table. that is what I see as its only modern Viable thing.

I guess it's a matter of how you look at it then, and what you value. It's rather complicated so I won't get into it. I'll speak more about specific conflicts today.

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The Un doesnt do anything. What have they done now to stop North Korea. They took a vote and condemed it. AND the north koreans stormed out of the meeting within 45 mins I recall ?

This emboldened Iran to snubb off the Un now also.

That's better for the United States. Better for them to snub the world than just us. That improves our position for future situations with them.

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Darfur, soldiers raping girls sex blah blah the litany goes on im sure we dont need rehash that.

I'm not sure if that occurred in Darfur and not elsewhere, however, I believe that the UN presence there does more harm than good. Consider that the janjaweed are a bunch of murdering bandits. The chances are greater that a Sudanese is going to be killed and raped by one of them than a UN peacekeeper.

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Israel doesnt want to stop because all they have accomplished was lose a pr war and 0 else they didnt disarm or destroy any capability of Hezzbolah they didnt get prisoners back they got 0 and they got world sentiment saying they are the agressors and over doing it.

Yet they never started this.

I believe that the Israeli's knew all of this from the start. Don't think that they are stupid. They were looking for a chance to whittle down Hezbollah and they knew what the world reaction would be to hundreds of civilian casaualties and an invasion of Southern Lebanon. They knew that they would only have a certain amount of time before they had to stop. They did what they thought could do the most damage to Hezbollah and knew they would have to stop without finishing the job (which they also knew they would not be able to do, since they failed to do that after a 18 year occupation of Lebanon.)

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WPK · #27 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Miscreantgnomie ;

Are you kidding ? They fired over 8000 rounds into Gaza, they slaughtered a family outing on a beach, they cut off Palestine from finances and food and then they invaded and desolated Gaza on the pretext of looking for a captured soldier.
They didn't start it ? They are OCCUPYING someone else's country.

It was first reported that Isreal shot on a family on a beach, which they are denying. We don't know who killed the family on the beach. And we are talking about Isreal & Lebanon, not Gaza & Isreal.

Isreal pulled out of Lebanon six years ago. The only reason they are there now, is in self-defense. They are trying to occupy terrority far enough into Lebanon, so Hezbollah, who started this war, cannot fire missles into Isreal.

Most free countries have cut off finances to Palistine. And for a very good reason. Palistine, has decided to elect a terrorist organization in Hamas. Hamas & the radicals attack Isreal on a daily basis, by launching mortal assaults into the terroritory of Isreal. And they have killed many civilians.

Isreal has given up lots of terrority back to the Palistians to make peace. They get nothing back, but mortar rounds, kidnappings & an occassional suicide bomber.

I don't feel sorry for Palistinians. If you hit another country with these kind of acts, I don't know how anyone can expect a country not to defend itself.

WPK · #28 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I guess it's a matter of how you look at it then, and what you value. It's rather complicated so I won't get into it. I'll speak more about specific conflicts today.

That's better for the United States. Better for them to snub the world than just us. That improves our position for future situations with them.

I'm not sure if that occurred in Darfur and not elsewhere, however, I believe that the UN presence there does more harm than good. Consider that the janjaweed are a bunch of murdering bandits. The chances are greater that a Sudanese is going to be killed and raped by one of them than a UN peacekeeper.

I believe that the Israeli's knew all of this from the start. Don't think that they are stupid. They were looking for a chance to whittle down Hezbollah and they knew what the world reaction would be to hundreds of civilian casaualties and an invasion of Southern Lebanon. They knew that they would only have a certain amount of time before they had to stop. They did what they thought could do the most damage to Hezbollah and knew they would have to stop without finishing the job (which they also knew they would not be able to do, since they failed to do that after a 18 year occupation of Lebanon.)

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WHO FIRED THE FIRST SHOT? Hezbollah. That's all we need to know. Any conjecture is simply that. Don't turn this into a conspiracy theory. It's a fact that Hezbollah started this war.

Isreal has agreed to pull out again, completely, if there are troops down in the south of Lebanon to keep Hezbollah from firing on them.

Miscreantgnomie · #29 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:13 PM

Actually I put a comma between the darfur and the raping thing do to 2 different things

Im a self admitted non articulate duffus with poor grammar. Wish i could type as i speak

I think that was Rwanda or Sudan that that occured I forget.

Darfur is something the world ignored as it goes on is my point.

Rwanda also all those people killed and no one did anything.

well we cant be the policemen of the world. I wish the Un would work as it is supposed to but that would mean the corruption would have to go away.

Zeke · #30 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WPK

It has to involve ISREAL. Isreal is one of the combatants.

But when they withdraw, and negotiations begin inside Lebanon, they will have nothing to do with Lebanese politics. Otherwise, them and Hezballah can continue their war and we'll see where it reaches.

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Geese--do you people ever watch ANY news stations?

Does your memory go back further than 4 weeks? That would really help in this conflict.

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The only reason Isreal is in Lebanon is to oust the Hezbollah who are capable of launching missles into Isreal terrority.

Those missiles are still being launched, despite Israel's military "advances".

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The most recent resolution, in which ISREAL agreed to, was to exit Lebanon ENTIRELY when there are forces in the south that can protect Isreal from attacks from missles.

And what's going to protect Lebanon from F-16's? A promise from Israel?

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Isreal left Lebanon SIX years ago.

Apparently, they just don't like to let go. Maybe they had some good memories and just wanted to fly their F-16's over Lebanese airspace on a daily basis to check out how good old Lebanon was doing. They also like to send some of their special agents to assassinate people inside Lebanon. Oh yeah, and their's also the water issue, the Shebaa farms issue, and the prisoners issue.

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