...and the cease-fire is not even in effect yet.

Lebanese cabinet meetings potponed. They are unable to reach agreement to disarm Hezbollah. Hezbollah supporters are arguing against disarmament...and there is not enough Lebanese officials to offset Hez supporters...so they quit trying.

Also the plan to move 15,000 soldiers south is now doubtful.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4789083.stm

To Isreal...keep your boots on.

Well Israel has been dropping bombs while they were signing the agreement, so let's be fair about that.

WRT Hezbollah, I have not kept up with the terms of the treaty but, I never expected them to be able to disarm Hezbollah. The popularity and legitimacy of Hezbollah rivals that of the Lebanese government. Hezbollah has the reputation of being the only force in the Arab world to stop Israel, and you think a weak and fractured Lebanese government (now further weakened by Israel's offensive) can disarm them?

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WEB

nope.
Which is why this resolution and the cease fire will fail.

Once again WEB the world and the U.N. sat by and watched a major event building...and did nothing.

Should any of us be surprised?...ergo the tounge in cheek "Surprise" in the threads title.

I believe the world did try. However, the world was thwarted by stalwart and unquestioning American support of Israel. Kofi Annan called for an immediate end to attacks by Israel and Condi rushed into Israel's defense. I believe that occurred about two weeks ago.

The UN fails due to the crappy foreign policies of its most influential members (including the United States).


WEB

Yer sounding a bit delusional there W.E.B.

Hezbollah hasn't stopped Israel. Israel is bombing the hell out of them and occupying land that Hezbollah considered their own. They are turning into blood spattered rubble.

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http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/foru...t=29994&page=3

Check the timeline. America blocked a ceasefire on the 13th,16th, and 28th of July.

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By sitting and watching...I mean the last 10 years the U.N. has sat and watched Hezbollah gain influence and more importantly in the last 2 years build up both offensive and defensive weaponry and systems right up to the Isreali border.
And everyone knows that Hezbollah is in everyway an extension of Iranian power. Iran controls Hezbollah far more than the Lebonese government ever thought of...this was obviously a powder keg waiting to happen - which is exactly what the world did.

You are saying the same old bullshit as usual. Nuke Iran, bring back Cynthia McKinney, etc. Same old bullshit from you. Don't waste my time please. Thank you.


WEB

iam, well firstly, I hope you would realize the validity of my point, which is that the UN proposed a cease-fire and this was rejected primarily by Israel and the United States. We have far more influence over Israel than the UN does. We don't use that influence for much good or peace though.

That's an interesting point. At the same time we don't see the UN decrying Israel's nuclear arsenal, and that's a far greater illegal power. So Israel is also getting away with a lot there too.

I've heard that the leader of Hezbollah makes his own decisions. Bear in mind that the event which Israel used to start this was was the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and perhaps the launching of a few rockets. Israel responded with a disproportionate show of force. You treat this as though it was a distraction for Iran, created by Iran, but the events don't seem to support such a conclusion.

The kidnapping of two soliders and the launching of several rockets would not have predictably led to an all-out Israeli offensive. This was just your everyday attack from Hezbollah. They weren't expecting an all out war. Israel MADE IT an all out war.

Israel pursued ITS OWN AGENDA and thus expanded this war and thus incidentally took the focus off of Iran's nuclear program. That's because Israel has expanded this conflict into what it is, not Hezbollah. If things were really as you say they are, then Hezbollah would have launched hundreds of rockets into Israel and killed many more Israeli soldiers BEFORE Israel attacked them.


WEB

Lets face it the Un does nothing but brings people to a table or through proxy to discuss things.

Thats its only legite use anymore it does not enforce any mandates it makes.

If the parties at the table want to make an agreement then it works.

otherwise they are only good at handing out Aid to people unless any people involved stop them then they just pout and wait. Of course they talk some more and condemn and condemn and make more resolutions 14 or 15 and then complain some more until some other nation does their job.


History of the sucess of the UN ...

(crickets)

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