Thread: Whose kids would Alfred Nobel bomb?

Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, for those who defended / admired / drooled over Obama's decision to use military force against Libya, how do you feel about this? Is this the "hope and change" you were looking for?

(Note - I know that immediately upon reading this, certain folks will reflexively type "Bush did....". That's not relevant. Bush isn't President now, and he didn't authorize this war. And when you're bombing people, it's a war....)

Please explain how this can be seen as anything but a complete CF.

Matt

How did Conservatives call that just until recently? Oh, yes, ... collateral damage.

I have the same feelings regarding that in Libya as in Iraq. But I am not a fan of either of those wars. I still had some understanding for the no fly zone and with a strict conduct of a pure no fly zone, this all would not have happened.

Forced regime change from the outside is always a messy business and questions are justified of how much they can be justified.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, for those who defended / admired / drooled over Obama's decision to use military force against Libya, how do you feel about this? Is this the "hope and change" you were looking for?

(Note - I know that immediately upon reading this, certain folks will reflexively type "Bush did....". That's not relevant. Bush isn't President now, and he didn't authorize this war. And when you're bombing people, it's a war....)

Please explain how this can be seen as anything but a complete CF.

Remind me how many hundreds of people Libyan security forces have shot dead in the streets? Remind me how many demonstrators have been shot dead by the Libyan army?

All of those people were someone's child and grandchild. Why should their lives mean any less?

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Remind me how many hundreds of people Libyan security forces have shot dead in the streets? Remind me how many demonstrators have been shot dead by the Libyan army?

All of those people were someone's child and grandchild. Why should their lives mean any less?

Are they any more dead than the people rebels have shot and left dead in the street?

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Are they any more dead than the people rebels have shot and left dead in the street?

So, we shouldnt support the rebels in overthrowing a dictatorship that kills and tortures thousands of people every year...because the rebels kill people? I'm not following the logic.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

So, we shouldnt support the rebels in overthrowing a dictatorship that kills and tortures thousands of people every year...because the rebels kill people? I'm not following the logic.

What gives the rebels more rights to kidnap people, bind their hands, shoot them and leave their bodies in the street? Do you imagine that follows our legal system, military codes, international law, or even decent human behavior? Where the logic avoiding you in that? Or is it okay to kill other in extrajudicial fashion as long as your one of the good guys?

We shouldn't be there.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

What gives the rebels more rights to kidnap people, bind their hands, shoot them and leave their bodies in the street? Do you imagine that follows our legal system, military codes, international law, or even decent human behavior? Where the logic avoiding you in that? Or is it okay to kill other in extrajudicial fashion as long as your one of the good guys?

So people shouldn't rebel because people die?

We shouldn't be there.

We aren't.