Thread: Flight 93

On a recent road trip, I visited the Flight 93 National Monument in Shanksville, PA.



This image was taken from the overlook at the temporary memorial site, prior to the dedication of the first phase of the permanent memorial.

May we never forget the courage and sacrifice of the 40 passengers and crew of Flight 93, who lost their lives not as victims but as heroes fighting back against the attack on our nation that day.

There is some debate over what target the cowardly hijackers were flying Flight 93 towards, but there can be no debate that they didn't get to attack their target because of the heroic actions of the passengers and crew aboard the aircraft.

They nearly retook the aircraft when the cowardly hijackers deliberately crashed the plane. We will never know for certain how many lives were saved at the site of the hijackers' intended target, but it may well have been hundreds. Many believe that the aircraft was intended to hit the capitol building, which was occupied by at least a thousand people that day.

In a very real sense, the passengers of Flight 93 were the first Americans to fight back against Al Queda in what would become a massive global "war on terror". May they rest in peace.

I was going to start a thread over at History to ask about this. Several callers on the Washington Journal this morning talked about Flight 93 as a government conspiracy, (this being the big 9-11 patriotism story). One fellow said that local radio had someone reporting that they saw an explosion before it went down, wondered why he never heard that again. Another saying there were no pieces of the plane found at the crash site. There was an interview yesterday where Cheney said he ordered fighter jets up that morning.

Does anyone know exactly what happened there? Do historians agree with the conventional version?

thanks.

It was hi-jacked, it went down in that Pennsylvania field.
There were plenty of pieces of wreckage. I'm not aware if the existence of a bomb can be completely discounted but it doesn't change the scenario or the outcome.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

It was hi-jacked, it went down in that Pennsylvania field.
There were plenty of pieces of wreckage. I'm not aware if the existence of a bomb can be completely discounted but it doesn't change the scenario or the outcome.

Do you know of pictures of the crash site from that day, or where this wreckage was taken? Where did they do forensics on the plane and human remains (usually some large warehouse)?

Here's a website I found with some interesting stuff about this.

http://www.flight93crash.com/index.html

You know what I always feel badly about whenever I hear of Shanksville? It's ignored because it's not at a major city. The passengers did something incredible that day and yet it's sort of overlooked. I'm not saying some gigantic monument there would make sense, but it's like nobody even really cares about it.

In the struggle, either intentionally or accidentally the airplane was likely put into a very steep descent. What happens when that occurs is the airplane will break the speed of sound. Professional pilots have to use extreme caution when doing an emergency descent to avoid this problem. The hijackers certainly weren't professional pilots, and in my opinion this is what ultimately caused flight 93 to crash ... the struggle wound up putting the airplane into a descent during which the speed of sound was broken.

Since commercial airplanes are not designed for mach 1, this ultimately made the engines fall off, gave the sound of an explosion, and made the airplane's descent unrecoverable even if the passengers overpowered the hijackers.

RIP to the innocents on board that airplane.

Originally Posted by mahayana

I was going to start a thread over at History to ask about this. Several callers on the Washington Journal this morning talked about Flight 93 as a government conspiracy, (this being the big 9-11 patriotism story). One fellow said that local radio had someone reporting that they saw an explosion before it went down, wondered why he never heard that again. Another saying there were no pieces of the plane found at the crash site. There was an interview yesterday where Cheney said he ordered fighter jets up that morning.

Does anyone know exactly what happened there? Do historians agree with the conventional version?

thanks.

Both the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) and the FDR (flight data recorder) from Flight 93 were recovered, and they corroborate the "conventional version".

Much like the other 9/11 fair stories (all the steel from the WTC was destroyed, no plane hit the Pentagon, etc), the claim that there was no wreckage in Shanksville is an outright falsehood.

For those who buy into the ridiculous claim that there was no wreckage from Flight 92, here are the State's exhibits from the trial of Moussaoui, which includes photos of the scene and of debris from the aircraft: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...osecution.html

Matt

Originally Posted by C-B-M

You know what I always feel badly about whenever I hear of Shanksville? It's ignored because it's not at a major city. The passengers did something incredible that day and yet it's sort of overlooked. I'm not saying some gigantic monument there would make sense, but it's like nobody even really cares about it.

ahoy C-B-M,

i think more 'bout them passengers on the ill fated flight 93 than what happened in NYC and the pentagon.

Tom Burnett made several phone calls to his wife beginning at 09:30:32 from rows 24 and 25, though he was assigned a seat in row four.[33][41] Burnett explained that the plane had been hijacked by men claiming to have a bomb. He also said that a passenger had been stabbed with a knife and that he believed the bomb threat was a ruse to control the passengers.

[41] During one of Tom Burnett's calls, his wife informed him of the attacks on the World Trade Center and he replied that the hijackers were "talking about crashing this plane ... Oh my God. It's a suicide mission."[42] He ended his last call by saying, "Don't worry, we're going to do something."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

thar struggle to fight fer that lives be an act that i don't think americans hath fergotten.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MattInFla

For those who buy into the ridiculous claim...

All you truthers out there... please provide all your 'beyond any doubt' evidence of the Bush/Cheney/neocon/Halliburton conspiracy to kill thousands so that they could kill millions to Paul Krugman... a fellow traveler of yours and he'll publish it in the New York Times.

Thanks!

In the mean time, I will ignore you, and everyone around you will know that your penis is indeed larger than your IQ.

Originally Posted by tsquare

All you truthers out there... please provide all your 'beyond any doubt' evidence of the Bush/Cheney/neocon/Halliburton conspiracy to kill thousands so that they could kill millions to Paul Krugman... a fellow traveler of yours and he'll publish it in the New York Times.

Thanks!

In the mean time, I will ignore you, and everyone around you will know that your penis is indeed larger than your IQ.

ahoy Tsquare,

please present any proof, anythin' whatsover that confirms that Paul Krugman be sympathetic to the "truthers".

- MeadHallPirate