Thread: Porkulus Part II - Obama Union Supporter Full Employment Act of 2011

Originally Posted by michael h

Carter was President from 76 to 80.

Yes I know but isn't it always the fault of the previous president, like Obama keeps telling us it's all Bush's fault.

We are illegal immigrants still here? How long have they been here? Who has done anything but the states to address this problem? I'll give you a hint why ... why do we import labor on the cheap?

Oh yeah, that's China's fault, we import cheap Chinese labor by the ship load.

Why do we, you mean our government imports cheap labor, it is they that won't close the border. And that's the same government that you want to tell businesses what to do and when to do it.

Hmmmmm were we exporting jobs back when Reagan was President?

Yeah will you tell me when our government started importing illegals?

I'll take 2000 4.0% and no excuses

Now that is interesting, you say we were exporting jobs back when Reagan was President and according to you our companies continued to export at an escalated high rate all the way up to 2000 yet you have no bitch then. Nor do do you have a bitch with 20 million illegals taking good American jobs.

But now all of a sudden it's all China's fault, and nothing else matters.

Someting tells me you have an oar out of water.

Hey Canada's lining up for a piece of the stimulus. Good for them in the spirit of globalism they have every right to get a piece of the pie ... again.

Canada balks at Buy American provisions - Yahoo! News

TORONTO (AP) — Canada plans to fight the Buy American provisions in the new U.S. jobs package proposed by President Barack Obama and is surprised and frustrated that the issue has come up again, Canada's trade minister said Wednesday.

Obama's proposed $447 billion package includes a requirement that all "iron, steel, and manufactured goods" used in public buildings or works be supplied by American firms. The bill would allocate more than $100 billion toward the renovation of schools, the construction of roads and bridges and improving transit.

Trade Minister Ed Fast said the provisions are not acceptable to Canada and said history shows protectionist measures stall growth and kill jobs.

"It is disappointing that it is coming from the Obama administration given the fact that we have been there before," Fast said in a telephone interview.

Canada ultimately won an exemption from the "Buy American" provisions that were included in 2009's $787 billion economic stimulus bill, which favored U.S.-made steel and other manufactured goods in government-funded building projects. The provision was a major irritant in trade relations between the United States and Canada, its largest trading partner.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Yes I know but isn't it always the fault of the previous president, like Obama keeps telling us it's all Bush's fault.



Oh yeah, that's China's fault, we import cheap Chinese labor by the ship load.

Why do we, you mean our government imports cheap labor, it is they that won't close the border. And that's the same government that you want to tell businesses what to do and when to do it.



Yeah will you tell me when our government started importing illegals?



Now that is interesting, you say we were exporting jobs back when Reagan was President and according to you our companies continued to export at an escalated high rate all the way up to 2000 yet you have no bitch then. Nor do do you have a bitch with 20 million illegals taking good American jobs.

But now all of a sudden it's all China's fault, and nothing else matters.

Someting tells me you have an oar out of water.

Your barking up the wrong tree if you think Obama matters to me. Both Obama and Bush were screwed by Clinton and the American people also.

So Reagan gave you a taste of supply side economics ... ummm ummm good. Carter lol.

We import Indian labor ... it increases the supply of labor and drives wages down ... just like unemployment ... or the FED raising interest rates to stop job growth.

So illegal immigrants provide cheap labor ... how long have we had a illegal immigrant problem? A long time ... hmmm go figure the FEDS like it. Cheap labor, visas stealin jobs, job exports, outsourcing, not to confusing as they are all government policies ... and they amount to cheap labor.
Yah, you lost me on the barge loads of Chinese labor thing.

As to Reagan and exporting jobs ... their is a difference between imports and exports. Do you think Reagan exported jobs like we do now? And what has illegal immigrants have to do with job exports?

Now back to Reagan, I did not say he was exporting jobs ... I said the opposite ... it wasn't a common practice.

You missed the boat totally ... job exports increased after 2000 ... you know China PNTR 2000.

Many jobs had already been exported to Mexico before 2000 ... NAFTA was signed in 1994 ... I can't believe I got to explain this. If your knowledgeable I shouldn't be explaining it to you.

pre 1994 some job exports
1994 NAFTA job exports
1995 WTO
2000 China PNTR mega job exports
India increased outsourcing since 2000.

That's the timeline.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Yes I know but isn't it always the fault of the previous president, like Obama keeps telling us it's all Bush's fault.



Oh yeah, that's China's fault, we import cheap Chinese labor by the ship load.

Why do we, you mean our government imports cheap labor, it is they that won't close the border. And that's the same government that you want to tell businesses what to do and when to do it.



Yeah will you tell me when our government started importing illegals?



Now that is interesting, you say we were exporting jobs back when Reagan was President and according to you our companies continued to export at an escalated high rate all the way up to 2000 yet you have no bitch then. Nor do do you have a bitch with 20 million illegals taking good American jobs.

But now all of a sudden it's all China's fault, and nothing else matters.

Someting tells me you have an oar out of water.

So I'll take the 2000 economy of 4% unemployment, I'll take the government revenues that were exported to China, I'll take the exported GDP, I'll take the lack of current account deficit that created the recession, I'll take less demand on government social services, I'll take a much smaller government deficit, I'll take small business being profitable and the additional jobs they create, I'll take less homeless, I'll take a housing market of sustainable growth, I'll take the lack of unemployment, I'll take higher levels of compensation, I'll take an economy that consumption will drive, and I'll take the lack of partisan BS blaming each other for the problems that no longer would exist.

You can have the 9% unemployment an all the justifications / excuses for the mess America's in. Theorize your way to success.

Originally Posted by michael h

So I'll take the 2000 economy of 4% unemployment, I'll take the government revenues that were exported to China, I'll take the exported GDP, I'll take the lack of current account deficit that created the recession, I'll take less demand on government social services, I'll take a much smaller government deficit, I'll take small business being profitable and the additional jobs they create, I'll take less homeless, I'll take a housing market of sustainable growth, I'll take the lack of unemployment, I'll take higher levels of compensation, I'll take an economy that consumption will drive, and I'll take the lack of partisan BS blaming each other for the problems that no longer would exist.

You can have the 9% unemployment an all the justifications / excuses for the mess America's in. Theorize your way to success.

Yeah, I'd like to take the 2000 economy over today's as well. However, reality just doesn't work that way. We are where we are, and we have to deal with it.

This goes along with, and supports, the earlier statement that the world has changed since then, and it really has in any number of significantly impacting ways. But we've got to move forward from here. We can't turn back the clock. That's just not an option.