Thread: Obama Speech 150 - We’re in a national emergency

Originally Posted by goldfin5678

We are in a national emergency. That's breaking news. We knew that before he got elected when his predeccessor wrecked the economy. It is ashame he couldn't do much to fix it.

At the same time, the republicans don't deserve much merit. First of all, their party is the party that got us into the mess in the first place, with Bush.

Now they are trying to cause a lot of political delays of doing anything for their own political gain until after the 2012 elections at our expense.

In the meantime, we had a jobs bill proposed that wasn't good either.

It is ashame that both sides are busy playing politics at our expense while the working men and women of this country suffer, and then some republicans who are contributing to this delay sit there and say, "it ain't the government's responsiblity to help anyone.". With these mealy mouthed idiots how can we make any progress, either democrat or republican?

While I agree that the Republicans don't deserve much merit for their spending actions in congress, I believe that congressional spending, regardless of which party was in the majority, has out stripped revenue for quite a number of years, on the order of 10 years or more I think.

So putting the blame on the Bush administration any more so, or less so, than the Democratic party is only to invite a repeat with them in control of the congress, which is exactly what we've seen in the last 3-5 years.

My bottom line is that congress is broken, regardless of which political party, and that congress is the root of the debt and deficit problems that we now must face.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I think we should review Dodd-Frank for items we can live without such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the "Durbin Amendment" regarding debt card interexchange fees, we should also repeal Obamacare in its entirety, and then greatly slow down the recent actions of the EPA under Obama's watch. There are probably 30 or more regulations we can live without coming from one of the three paths mentioned causing nothing but harm to the economy. There are even some FCC actions we can live without such as Network Neutrality and outdated Media Ownership rules. One does not have to look too far to see the mountain of regulations we can live without.

These ideas all make sense to me, and I'd support them.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

While I agree that the Republicans don't deserve much merit for their spending actions in congress, I believe that congressional spending, regardless of which party was in the majority, has out stripped revenue for quite a number of years, on the order of 10 years or more I think.

The correct answer is 54 years. 1957 was the last year the government ran in the black.

Originally Posted by 9aces

The correct answer is 54 years. 1957 was the last year the government ran in the black.

All the more substantiation that congress and congressional spending is broken. Thanks for the facts.

Originally Posted by goldfin5678

We are in a national emergency. That's breaking news. We knew that before he got elected when his predeccessor wrecked the economy. It is ashame he couldn't do much to fix it.

At the same time, the republicans don't deserve much merit. First of all, their party is the party that got us into the mess in the first place, with Bush.

Now they are trying to cause a lot of political delays of doing anything for their own political gain until after the 2012 elections at our expense.

In the meantime, we had a jobs bill proposed that wasn't good either.

It is ashame that both sides are busy playing politics at our expense while the working men and women of this country suffer, and then some republicans who are contributing to this delay sit there and say, "it ain't the government's responsiblity to help anyone.". With these mealy mouthed idiots how can we make any progress, either democrat or republican?

Well, we could stop blaming Bush. Whether its true or not, complaining about the past doesnt get anything done.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Really???? You truly believe this??? The son of a bitch in the White House doesn't give a rat's ass about the people or the country and he's proving it daily. When I see men in their 40's and 50's applying for minimum wage positions at dollar stores or older women working at Burger King or McDonald's as cashiers and fry cooks, I know this country is in major trouble. These jobs have typically been held by teens or college students and suddenly, older people are so desperate for jobs that they'll take anything available. And who's administration is preventing Boeing from opening a plant in S.C.???
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/1976588-post1.html
Keep fooling yourself that it's all the Republicans fault, okay?

What happens when you allow millions of jobs to be offshored to communist china? Hint, you eventually end up with high unemployment.

Obama inherited a mess created by repubs, in their eager march to turn business loose instead of insisting that business has a social responsibility and that there is more to civilization than maximizing the profits of a few.

Obama inherited a deregulated banking system, thanks to the cons. This deregulated system caused the crash not just here but Europe as well.

So you cons try and blame it on Obama that he cannot fix a fucked up economic model? That you guys fucked up? Give me a break. Hard to listen to anything you guys say when you don't recognize the obvious.

I got some bad news for ya. When the repubs win in 2012, they won't be able to fix this long term high unemployment, and the long termed underemployment. But it's gonna take this, IMO, for americans to wake the hell up. And realize that these repubs have shit in our beds, so that a few could maximize wealth.

Our economic model post ww2 sought to build a large consuming middle class. And it worked not only well, but very well. That model is gone! In its place is one that does the exact opposite, and sends more and more of the bucks to the top, as the disparity in income stats show today when compared to stats under the old economic system.

So now that we have millions who cannot find work, especially a living wage job, the pubs want to stimulate hiring by giving tax breaks to the richer among us. So that it frees up more money to invest overseas! Got news for ya, investors go where they can get the highest return, where labor is dirt cheap. Tax breaks help China, in this new economic model the repubs were instrumental in getting, for big business.

IMO, we will have a lost generation of unemployed folks in which many will join the growing numbers of the poor. This is the real cost of maximizing profits of a few, and the Cons have no problem with it. Those displaced workers should have high degrees so as to have a job. Of course, until that job too is offshored or outsourced to cheap ass labor. The cons blame the unemployed for their own lot, ignoring that it was the pro business stance that got those folks jobless to begin with. The hypocrisy stinks worse than a pile of gorilla shit on a hot day. And the reason I find these guys so detestable in morality in ethics and in attitude.

The con repubs are a clear and present danger to the average working people of this nation. As they have always been. The repubs have always been the party of the rich elites, of business, of banking. And never have been on the side of average people, who comprise the majority in this nation. And the sooner average folks finally figure this out, the better off we will be.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Well, you're advocating for the gov't to play a role in job creation then, Mrs.M, while even the President seems to have a right-wing tilt towards the direction of letting the market work itself out right now, which is why his proposal is all tax cuts and tax incentives for businesses to hire, rather than another big gov't stimulus to just create the jobs immediately.

I think every President cares about wanting people to have good quality jobs, it's just that they tend to back policies that are counter-productive to most people while favoring the few. And in America, even with a Democrat in charge these days, the idea of policies that favor the majority of people equally is called socialism and fascism, and so here we are today with moderate swing-voter types particularly in the rust belt, working at Walmart and flipping burgers, which Mitt Romney has said is a fine job to have.

Yeah, that is it isn't it? Policies that favor the majority, millions of average americans is discounted as socialism. I reckon the economic model, post ww2 was nothing but socialism as well, because it built more than just the wealth of the few. It created the largest middle class in the history of the world.

The cold hard truth is this. A economic model can build middle classes or it can send more of the income to the top. It cannot do the both at the same time. That's 5th grade arithmetic. You either build middle classes or you only enrich the elites. If left up to the elites, we see what they will do. They will leave to cheap labor as long as we let those goods back in to sell to our market. So, if you want to build and substain a middle class, you damn better well have gov't involved, because business will not do it naturally.

And that is one reason the cons want smaller gov't. So that business can maximize profits and wealth, upon the backs of poor communists, and by leaving our own jobless. It is wrong, in any universe. Greed has no bounds, and if the gov't by and for the people does not step in, greed will destroy what is left of our middle class.